Jesus as a name

[ThirtyThree]

What?

It is not just the finite crimes.

So, how many times should he be burned in Hell?

I am not God. I do not decide the duration of punishment for finite crimes. However, how is it not "just for finite crimes" ? Mortals surely, being finite beings, can not commit an infinite crime while on Earth?

 

[Jabar]

I am not God. I do not decide the duration of punishment for finite crimes. However, how is it not "just for finite crimes" ? Mortals surely, being finite beings, can not commit an infinite crime while on Earth?

Exactly, i am not God either brother.

I do not decide, God himself says he is never Unjust in the least degree but you just keep saying that is not fair and that it does not sound Just.

You are disobeying God and do not have Faith in him when he himself says that he is never Unjust.

Same way Satan disobeyed God.

 

[ThirtyThree]

Yes, if they continue to do it without repentance and feel it to be justified and right.

They will be punished.

Although, remember once again i unequivocally state:

Allah is never Unjust in the least degree, and he is All-Knowing and All-Powerful.

They will be punished forever, without end, you mean? Can you even comprehend such a punishment? Can you imagine burning in fire hotter than any found on Earth without end?

 

[Jabar]

They will be punished forever, without end, you mean? Can you even comprehend such a punishment? Can you imagine burning in fire hotter than any found on Earth without end?

Brother, do you know how to comprehend?

Refer to my last comment.

 

[ThirtyThree]

Brother, do you know how to comprehend?

Refer to my last comment.

Why are you calling me brother?

 

[Jabar]

Why are you calling me brother?

Hehe, because i love you. . .

 

[ThirtyThree]

Hehe, because i love you. . .

Do you know me enough to love me?

 

[Jabar]

Do you know me enough to love me?

No, i respect all people equally.

 

[rusra02]

The angel Gabriel was sent to Mary to tell her; "And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus. This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom." (Luke 1:31-33)
As to why we do not use the ancient Hebrew pronunciation of Jesus name, few people today know (much less speak) ancient Hebrew. Jesus is the Latin form of the Greek I·e·sousʹ, which corresponds to the Hebew Ye·shuʹaʽ or Yehoh·shuʹaʽ and means “Jehovah Is Salvation”.
Interesting to me is that "Pilate also wrote a title and put it on the torture stake. It was written: “Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ the King of the Jews.” Many of the Jews read this title, because the place where Jesus was nailed to the stake was near the city, and it was written in Hebrew, in Latin, and in Greek." Thus there is no doubt who Jesus is, however his name is translated, IMO.

 

[ThirtyThree]

The angel Gabriel was sent to Mary to tell her; "And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus. This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom." (Luke 1:31-33)
As to why we do not use the ancient Hebrew pronunciation of Jesus name, few people today know (much less speak) ancient Hebrew. Jesus is the Latin form of the Greek I·e·sousʹ, which corresponds to the Hebew Ye·shuʹaʽ or Yehoh·shuʹaʽ and means “Jehovah Is Salvation”.
Interesting to me is that "Pilate also wrote a title and put it on the torture stake. It was written: “Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ the King of the Jews.” Many of the Jews read this title, because the place where Jesus was nailed to the stake was near the city, and it was written in Hebrew, in Latin, and in Greek." Thus there is no doubt who Jesus is, however his name is translated, IMO.

Interesting. What about the reference to Emmanuel being born of a virgin then?

 

[rusra02]

Interesting. What about the reference to Emmanuel being born of a virgin then?

This quote from Insight on the Scriptures p. 1189 explains it well, I think: "If there seems to be a conflict between the angel’s instructions to Mary (“you are to call his name Jesus”) and Isaiah’s prophecy (“she will certainly call his name Immanuel”), let it be remembered that Messiah was also to be called by yet other names. (Lu 1:31; Isa 7:14) For example, Isaiah 9:6 said concerning this one: “His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.” Yet none of these names were given to Mary’s firstborn as personal names, neither when he was a babe nor after he took up his ministry. Rather, they were all prophetic title-names by which Messiah would be identified. Jesus lived up to the meaning of these names in every respect, and that is the sense in which they were prophetically given, to show his qualities and the good offices he would perform toward all those accepting him as Messiah. So also with his title Immanuel. He measured up to and fulfilled its meaning....With the coming of his beloved Son to earth as the promised Messianic “seed” (Ge 3:15) and rightful heir to the throne of David, Jehovah was furnishing his greatest sign that he had not forsaken mankind or his Kingdom covenant. The title-name Immanuel, therefore, was particularly appropriate to Christ, for his presence was indeed a sign from heaven. And with this foremost representative of Jehovah among mankind, Matthew under inspiration could truly say, “With Us Is God.”

 

[Demonslayer]

Son of the Most High

I didn't know Cheech Marin had a son.

 

[ThirtyThree]

This quote from Insight on the Scriptures p. 1189 explains it well, I think: "If there seems to be a conflict between the angel’s instructions to Mary (“you are to call his name Jesus”) and Isaiah’s prophecy (“she will certainly call his name Immanuel”), let it be remembered that Messiah was also to be called by yet other names. (Lu 1:31; Isa 7:14) For example, Isaiah 9:6 said concerning this one: “His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.” Yet none of these names were given to Mary’s firstborn as personal names, neither when he was a babe nor after he took up his ministry. Rather, they were all prophetic title-names by which Messiah would be identified. Jesus lived up to the meaning of these names in every respect, and that is the sense in which they were prophetically given, to show his qualities and the good offices he would perform toward all those accepting him as Messiah. So also with his title Immanuel. He measured up to and fulfilled its meaning....With the coming of his beloved Son to earth as the promised Messianic “seed” (Ge 3:15) and rightful heir to the throne of David, Jehovah was furnishing his greatest sign that he had not forsaken mankind or his Kingdom covenant. The title-name Immanuel, therefore, was particularly appropriate to Christ, for his presence was indeed a sign from heaven. And with this foremost representative of Jehovah among mankind, Matthew under inspiration could truly say, “With Us Is God.”

Interesting. Thank you.

 

[Nefelie]

Actually, I call Him many titles. I do not know His name. I also do not claim that "Lucifer" is His name.

Do you know that there is a chance that Lucifer and Jesus are actually the same person?

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! - Is. 14:12

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.- Rev. 22:16

Lucifer means "shining one, light-bearer". In Greek is translated as ἑωσφόρος (heōsphoros), a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.
The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate, meaning "the morning star".
Later Christian tradition came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for the devil; as he was before his fall. - Wikipedia​

Also, it is considered that maybe the name “Jesus” (properly pronounced “Iesus”) comes from the Greek “Iachos”, (after doing all the stroll to Latin, Coptic, Hellenistic Asia Minor), which is another name for Dionysus.

How about that?

.

 

[Demonslayer]

Do you know that there is a chance that Lucifer and Jesus are actually the same person?

Jesus vs Evil Jesus would make a great Marvel movie. I'm casting Chris Hemsworth as Jesus and Howard Stern as Evil Jesus. Who's on board?

 

[ThirtyThree]

Do you know that there is a chance that Lucifer and Jesus are actually the same person?

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! - Is. 14:12

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.- Rev. 22:16

Lucifer means "shining one, light-bearer". In Greek is translated as ἑωσφόρος (heōsphoros), a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star.
The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate, meaning "the morning star".
Later Christian tradition came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for the devil; as he was before his fall. - Wikipedia​

Also, it is considered that maybe the name “Jesus” (properly pronounced “Iesus”) comes from the Greek “Iachos”, (after doing all the stroll to Latin, Coptic, Hellenistic Asia Minor), which is another name for Dionysus.

How about that?

.

Lucifer is a title, not a name. Also, the word "Lucifer" is translated from refers to "the howling morning", and the word used to define Yeshua, simply means "the morning". You may add "star" at your leisure.

Yeshua in the eyes of many Catholics, for example, is called Lucifer. This is because the term simply means "light barer" in Latin. You can apply the title "Lucifer" to many beings, not just one people enjoy calling "Satan", which is also a title and not a name. Can it be used as a name? Most likely. Is it in the Bible? Doubtfully.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Interesting. What about the reference to Emmanuel being born of a virgin then?

Didn't happen.

 

[gnostic]

@ThirtyThree

If you read Isaiah 7 in its entirety, instead of Matthew 1:23, you would see that the child Emmanuel or Immanuel never had anything to do with prophecy of the messiah, of Jesus or of virgin birth.

Emmanuel was to be a child, a son born in the time of Ahaz and Isaiah. And according to the next chapter (Isaiah 8), Emmanuel was Isaiah's own son.

Jesus never fulfilled the rest of the sign, Isaiah 7:14 plus verses 15, 16 & 17. If Jesus didn't fulfill 7:15-17, then 7:14 isn't about Jesus at all.

The author to gospel of Matthew had hijacked Isaiah's sign, and reinterpreted with Christian context.

If you ask any Jew here about the sign of the child Emmanuel or Immanuel, they will tell you that the sign had nothing to do with any messiah, PERIOD!

 

[ThirtyThree]

@ThirtyThree

If you read Isaiah 7 in its entirety, instead of Matthew 1:23, you would see that the child Emmanuel or Immanuel never had anything to do with prophecy of the messiah, of Jesus or of virgin birth.

Emmanuel was to be a child, a son born in the time of Ahaz and Isaiah. And according to the next chapter (Isaiah 8), Emmanuel was Isaiah's own son.

Jesus never fulfilled the rest of the sign, Isaiah 7:14 plus verses 15, 16 & 17. If Jesus didn't fulfill 7:15-17, then 7:14 isn't about Jesus at all.

The author to gospel of Matthew had hijacked Isaiah's sign, and reinterpreted with Christian context.

If you ask any Jew here about the sign of the child Emmanuel or Immanuel, they will tell you that the sign had nothing to do with any messiah, PERIOD!

Thank you for the education. It is why I ask questions as I do, after all.

 

[gnostic]

Lucifer is a title, not a name.

Actually, Lucifer is a name for a minor god of the morning star, son of Aurora, who was a Roman goddess of dawn. Both Lucifer and Aurora were known by the older Greek religion/myth respectively as Phosphoros and Eos. Phosphoros or Lucifer are abstract personifications of the morning star.

The Romans had the habit of adopting other civilisations' religions, like that from the Greek and giving deities and heroes Latin names.

In this case, Lucifer is a name for a Roman god, not a title.

Before Jerome translating the bible into Latin - the Vulgate (not Vulgar) Bible - no one called the morning star "lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12, not in Hebrew, Aramaic or in Greek. The morning star was "helel" in Hebrew, not Lucifer. But Jerome never associated his "lucifer" with the Devil or Satan.

But long after Jerome, people began to reinterpret Isaiah 14:12, that it became the name for the Christian Satan or the Devil. Satan and Devil are titles, not names.

And from the start of this so-called prophecy, it was about the King of Babylonia, not of the Devil, Satan or Lucifer as claimed by Christians.

Ask any Jews here and they will tell you there was no Devil or Lucifer, and no rebellion led by Satan in heaven, and no fallen angels. That's a Christian myth, and pre-Christian Hellenistic Jew myth (eg Book of Enoch, Secret Book of Enoch, Book of Jubilees, etc, Pseudepigrapha literature).