Jesus as a name

[Jayhawker Soule]

Before Jerome translating the bible into Latin - the Vulgar Bible - no one ...

Where's Freud when you need him?

 

[gnostic]

Where's Freud when you need him?

Sorry, vulgate bible, not vulgar bible.

The wonders of Apple auto-correction spellchecker. I don't know if I should laugh or be mad at my iPad. (Ps my Samsung Galaxy S3 mobile is even worse, when it comes to autocorrection.)

 

[ThirtyThree]

Actually, Lucifer is a name for a minor god of the morning star, son of Aurora, who was a Roman goddess of dawn. Both Lucifer and Aurora were known by the older Greek religion/myth respectively as Phosphoros and Eos. Phosphoros or Lucifer are abstract personifications of the morning star.

The Romans had the habit of adopting other civilisations' religions, like that from the Greek and giving deities and heroes Latin names.

In this case, Lucifer is a name for a Roman god, not a title.

Before Jerome translating the bible into Latin - the Vulgate (not Vulgar) Bible - no one called the morning star "lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12, not in Hebrew, Aramaic or in Greek. The morning star was "helel" in Hebrew, not Lucifer. But Jerome never associated his "lucifer" with the Devil or Satan.

But long after Jerome, people began to reinterpret Isaiah 14:12, that it became the name for the Christian Satan or the Devil. Satan and Devil are titles, not names.

And from the start of this so-called prophecy, it was about the King of Babylonia, not of the Devil, Satan or Lucifer as claimed by Christians.

Ask any Jews here and they will tell you there was no Devil or Lucifer, and no rebellion led by Satan in heaven, and no fallen angels. That's a Christian myth, and pre-Christian Hellenistic Jew myth (eg Book of Enoch, Secret Book of Enoch, Book of Jubilees, etc, Pseudepigrapha literature).

Zeus also became a title, did it not? Similar to Apollo? Lucifer might be a similar type of matter.

 

[Nefelie]

Yeshua in the eyes of many Catholics, for example, is called Lucifer.

If you can get me one Catholic priest that supports this claim, I’ll accept it.

Because this is the first time I hear something like that: a Catholic -or any Christian- calling Jesus “Lucifer”…

 

[ThirtyThree]

If you can get me one Catholic priest that supports this claim, I’ll accept it.

Because this is the first time I hear something like that: a Catholic -or any Christian- calling Jesus “Lucifer”…

At 32:00. please listen for one minute and you will hear "Lucifer" being sung.

Original and translation:

Flammas eius lúcifer matutínus invéniat:
ille, inquam, lúcifer, qui nescit occásum.
Christus Fílius tuus,
qui, regréssus ab ínferis, humáno géneri serénus illúxit,
et vivit et regnat in sæcula sæculórum.

May this flame be found still burning
by the Morning Star:
the one Morning Star who never sets,
Christ your Son,
who, coming back from death's domain,
has shed his peaceful light on humanity,
and lives and reigns for ever and ever.

 

[Nefelie]

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That is really interesting, thank you
May I use it to open a new thread in the Catholic forum?
Or you can do it, if you want.
I'd like to see how Catholics will react to this.
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[ThirtyThree]

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That is really interesting, thank you
May I use it to open a new thread in the Catholic forum?
Or you can do it, if you want.
I'd like to see how Catholics will react to this.
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You may.

 

[Nefelie]

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Just did: http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...jesus-and-lucifer-are-the-same-person.187798/

Thanks

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