theirreverentconcubine
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Unsubstantiated nonsense.
Like all birthdays.
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Unsubstantiated nonsense.
I forget to mention that haha. I thought it and didn't type it.
Actually, I don't think that is true. There was a Mithra mystery religion that celebrated the victory of the sun on Dec 25h I believe, but I am not sure it was Mithra's birthday. People also claim it was Horus' birthday, but I don't know where they get that from.
Unsubstantiated nonsense.
There's no telling. The movie Zeitgeist has a lot of fluff, but the "victory of the sun" is an interesting postulate. And I've heard that about Horus, but an "elect of Set" ain't gonna be crediting him with nothing, now is she?
I suppose not if you take the "mythology" literally. If you believe Horus and Set actually fought, I suppose you are right.
I hear all the christmas songs about how jesus came to save the world, save man, etc.....what has changed in the world since he came??we still have wars, rape, murder, etc...seems undeniable that nothing has changed...
Then you may not like Rammstein. The difference being, the supermarket does not crank the Remmstein.
Actually, I don't think that is true. There was a Mithra mystery religion that celebrated the victory of the sun on Dec 25h I believe, but I am not sure it was Mithra's birthday. People also claim it was Horus' birthday, but I don't know where they get that from.
:no:but aren't people still the 'same'<>jealous,angry,hateful,greedy,etc....
Good catch. There's no "birthday of Mithras" recorded in any ancient source whatsoever.
The 25 Dec. thing you're thinking of is the state sun god, Sol Invictus. There was a festival on that date, documented in the Chronography of 354 (i.e. well after Constantine) called the "dies natalis solis invicti", which may mean either "anniversary of the consecration of the temple of Sol Invictus" or "birthday of the unconquered sun / Sol Invictus". If it means the former, it probably records the founding of the temple of Sol Invictus by Aurelian in 274. If it means the latter -- these are mutually exclusive alternatives, note -- then it relates to the solstice, and indicates the "new sun", the days getting longer. The solstice was actually on 21/22, but, as Julian the Apostate indicates (ca. 361 AD), most people regarded 25th as the solstice. Julian "explains" this by the fact that the farmers notice the days getting longer only after a day or two.
Christmas is not on the date of the big Roman winter festival, tho; that was Saturnalia, from 17-23rd December.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
yes, how did Dec 25 come to be Christmas??
And to the person who thinks I only listen to popular music- I don't. I listen to Classical, world, New Age, and so on, as well. I was rather taken back by your assumption. But no offense was taken.
There is no historical evidence that Jesus ever lived or died.
Sure was a lot of writing for no offense being taken, especially since there was a may in there. But you go right on being non-offended, and I'll go right on being atheistic about it.
In the book 'The Battle for Christmas' by Stephen Nissenbaum mentions the Christmas observances were about mid-winter worship of Saturn and Bacchus.
Francis Stead Sellers in the New York Times review mentioned that a 4th century pact was made with the pagans when it settled on the Dec 25th date.
In the New Encyclopedia Britannica Dec 25th is called the birthday of Mithra, the Iranian god of light and....the day devoted to the invincible sun [Not Son]
as well as the day 'after' the Saturnalia......
In the magazine History Today Alexander Murray of Oxford University mentions a fusing of pagan mid-winter rites ......After much uncertainty, victory would go to Mithraism's main rival, Christianity.
According to the book 'Discovering Christmas customs and Folklore'
Dec 25 was a shrewd and practical decision.
The 7-day Roman agricultural festival of fire and light: Saturnalia,
and the Calends had a 3-day celebration feast .
With Saturnalia, Calends and the Mithraic birthday of the unconquered sun
[Not Son], all fell within so short a period each year that Dec. 25th became the chosen date. Not until 274 CE the Roman emperor declared Sol invictus [unconquered sun] the principle patron of the empire honoring MIthras...
I hear all the christmas songs about how jesus came to save the world, save man, etc.....what has changed in the world since he came??we still have wars, rape, murder, etc...seems undeniable that nothing has changed...