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Jesus Christ: the greatest story ever told?

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
That is not in dispute..
..but it doesn't make Jesus into God.
A "perfect man", as in free from sin, is not God [our Father]

Almighty God does what he wills. He caused the Virgin Mary to give birth to Jesus, the Messiah.

He caused him to ascend [to heaven].
..and he will return to complete his mission at an appointed time.
Following resurrection, Jesus ascended to the Father and there receives what Daniel describes as 'dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him:'. [Daniel 7:14]

Why would people serve Jesus Christ if he is not God? Is this not breaking the great commandment to worship only God? [See Luke 4:8]
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Why would people serve Jesus Christ if he is not God? Is this not breaking the great commandment to worship only God? [See Luke 4:8]
Ask the JW's that question..
Do you not respect John the Baptist or Moses?
Wouldn't you be honoured to be able to serve them?

..I know I would.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
I'm human so are you.

Thousands of years of human sex. Babies all of us. Grow into adults. Human life now as a science status. Sex produced life now. No argument as it's human legal.

No theist is first.

Mother father spiritual loving meek with nature and life.

Man baby brain changes by spirit....a gas in science. Sacrificed holy cold gas hurts his brain mind prickled. Fell burning from above increased mass body sacrifice.

In gained causes of a Satan burning cold sun mass. Collisions earth. Star mass.

Law. Natural cosmic law is no science.

That baby man memory was loved by two memories.

One memory his loving father gone out of his consciousness. Is that your book of love evil man today. Just a human mutual by two loving you?

Thinking as a man adult using memories...science themes given. Father's loving life removed? Baby man but an adult my mother human love.

Lied.

Of course it was.

Did you ever contemplate destructive science converting mass isn't love?

No says the taught self idolator man theist. I lied. Love never destroyed....Satan burning mass had.

My consciousness as father memory removed.

Lied false preaching since that God in science loved you.

God in science is satanic and destroys your biology.

Now didn't teaching state hypocrite was a legal choice of a pre nasty false thinker theist hypocrite! The church man tells you he lied about science being holy?

Yes he confessed...a hypocrite.

So rich humans had to now control their unnatural behaviour is the advice?

Yes.

Did they? No. They all self idolated the book warning said don't self idolate.

Today self idolisation to make self beautiful by technology is out of control. By behaviour proven true.

To enlarge self idealisation of your human image. Is being enlarged in cloud feedback. To mind agreement.

So women give themselves huge expanded ideals of lips cheeks and buttocks. Claiming self perfection. Using technology to change their images constantly.

Possessed in fact by machine conditions.

Proven true.

So as spirit is a gas in science we live in spirit only heavens. Is the legal scientific law teaching.

Hell nuclear mass is only held out in cosmic infinity vacuum. We don't belong to it.

Said the teaching.

So too much gas is being sacrificed above as it falls burning biology in Sacrifice. As spirit..a gas only was set alight wasn't suns mass.

Exactly told.

Spirit the scientific law teaching. Hot gas is kept cooled by the coldest gas Immaculate. So coldest gas in heavens protects biology.

Ignored by men who said I now will put the coldest gas to be heated myself inside my machines reaction.

Natural law space womb only owns it. Coldest spirit body in law. Highest spirit body mass.

Therefore when science was never first practiced by humans ....any theist today is just a part of indoctrinated group human cult behaviour.

As men arose a machine out of earths seamed cold mass. By magic terms as Alchemy. Told you they had as it was a humans written confession.

Why life was sacrificed as in gods cosmic law the machine in law is held deep inside mass pressure as mass.

Mass above and gases heavenly isn't anywhere near the equals pressure answer of the one planet number one position.

Today misquoted the taught confession as humans advice why biology got sacrificed. It was because men took gods mass out of natural historic space time to build a machine.

Then went about destroying the machine history by earth mass layered converting until it blew up. By equals answer first a machine didn't exist.

As proof science is Satanism.

In man's conscious mind he theoried O a circle behind his head as he got attacked from above and lied about his mans given scientific heavenly advice.

The theme Jesus not a man it's about O pi and Phi science thesis only. Understood by a living man's biology consciousness the theory of human science.

Why it never existed first...man's science.

Is why we are close to human extinction on earth today. Owning the mind state that agrees to cause it.

As it's inherited mind.

2012 a number in maths.
2012 in Infinity voiding yearly count.... it never voided as earths space is still hot gas expanding. As science is an inhumane liar.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If you ask a conscious theist today what type of transmitters interfered with real human thoughts.

Would he say....I caused nuclear reactions myself. I invented the Fuel. I used the fuel in nature myself to blow up family life in nature myself. By science terms...mine.

Nuclear. It's exact known human taught position.

Wouldn't he be theorising where he lives water oxygen ice melt about his human science strings only?

What men did had and could invent by release and control? Science of men only inside water oxygen conscious heavens!!!

Yes.

Yet ....informed by destruction his choice he then claims now he can resource what science caused itself as science?

Yes would be a correctly taught conscious human. Fooled and conned by his owned choices. As science is one man one thesis dusts of earth.

As living conscious in life as biology are animal life living walking freely and humans. To live to be free to have self will. Living life conscious.

Living as we breathe.

Is nuclear living?

No it makes humans change bodily and bio life into dusts.

So just baby adult men think back in the past to where conscious human biology began...as adult humans.

Their owned selves. Right now. Who aren't anywhere said advised teaching. Parent two of one species the adult human...went nowhere.

Are you dust?

Now...ask yourself is the origin first ever adult humans now dusts?

Yes.

So today totally consciousness informed you that you theoried for our adult lives by science terms looking back to equal not life living but only dusts?

Yes. As science advice of humans is precise.

Humans today looked back to origin past position humans once first living yet time and light says now bodily bio are just dusts.

Is humans life destroyer today exactly taught. The human science community with machines.

It's how they lie.

As they...bio conscious adult human only life pretended now was not the first human living. Said now I'm dusts only themselves. As a thesis not as reality.

The Theist cons and coerces and is just a human. Given status that no human should have ever owned is our warning. Illegal past bad group human behaviour.

Is exact you are all warned now about a human theist.

Ist...to L ist as Satan ist...to remove his list. He makes the term first I list myself.

Ist is the same symbolism used as the first.

Just said secretly by intention.

So if human man said I'm first and a lot of human men today by expansive communal population pretend they are women. Then we are pre warned life's destruction is near.

All caused by just a thinking man who brothers agree to theory machine above us gained from below us.... is to eradicate us. Now.

A alpha letters.....see the double advice?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Warning a testimony was a legal document only. Bible was shut stating no fake preaching discussing evil.

A baby man self Idolating scientist human theist proved he'd lost his mind.

First theist no longer owned father's mind already. Theory a calculus is fake first that isn't reacting first. And doesn't own what he's thinking about.

Then eradicated his own baby father mind again. Pretended self immaculate born. Did not reclaim my life was living by human sex.

A warning advice notated.

Conscious mind confession proved it no longer existed in thinking. Warned.

In fact two human adults now are the first adult parents life. Expressed again owning death in genetic body to be first parent but a reborn parent.

Virtually said in proof the living human that the origin one human parent species hadn't died yet. It was alive by baby human sex.

The warning. You can't theory living life the teaching.

Ignored as you should not be book reading the testimony.
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Ask the JW's that question..
Do you not respect John the Baptist or Moses?
Wouldn't you be honoured to be able to serve them?

..I know I would.
John the Baptist pointed people to Jesus Christ, as did Moses!

The scriptures tell us to honour the Son as we honour the Father. Why? Because the Father is in the the Son.

Jesus said, Believest thou not that l am in the Father, and the Father in me? [John 14:10]

Jesus also said that the Spirit of truth 'dwelleth with you, and shall be in you'.[John 14:17]
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
A man is a baby first.

His human father was always a man first. The adult to have sex.

So a baby man as the adult told his mans truth.

His human father should be owned by him as the human son inheritor as genetics. As both are men.

Yet because life was changed he knew it was changed as a man saying life genetics had been changed.

A human truth is by a lived experience I knew I was changed.

It's not a thesis in other words it was a lived experience only.
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
That is your belief..
We have no good reason to believe that Moses was teaching the Israelites about Jesus.
There is no prose in the Bible that has Moses mention the name Jesus/Yeshua .
The name of Jesus is intentionally hidden in scripture. But prophecy of Christ is not.

When Jesus spoke to the two disciples on the road to Emmaus, he opened up to them the truth of the scriptures.

Luke 24:27. 'And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.'

In Deuteronomy 18:15, Moses prophesies the coming of a Prophet. This is not Moses himself, nor is it Muhammad! Jesus, however, confirms his authority as that Prophet [John 17:8].
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
The name of Jesus is intentionally hidden in scripture..
Why, so as to confuse us?

You said "Why would people serve Jesus Christ if he is not God? Is this not breaking the great commandment to worship only God?"

The Jews only worship G-d, yet they do not worship Jesus.
You do not have to worship Jesus to follow what he taught.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
You are mistaken. Christian bibles translate mostly from the Septuagint. Indeed the only Christian translation I am aware of that translates ONLY from the Hebrew, is the New American Bible, which makes it the best Christian translation IMHO.

I agree. It is the only translation used in Catholic liturgy for the United States,
now the revised edition.

"This new edition is a thorough revision of the already excellent New American Bible Old Testament of 1970. Work on most books of the Old Testament, begun in 1994 and completed in 2001, was done by forty revisers and a board of eight editors. The 1991 revision of the Psalter, the work of thirty revisers and six editors, was further revised by seven revisers and two editors between 2009 and 2010. As suggested in the comments above, the revision aimed at making use of the best manuscript traditions available (see below), translating as accurately as possible, and rendering the result in good contemporary English. In many ways it is a more literal translation than the original NAB and has attempted to be more consistent in rendering Hebrew (or Greek) words and idioms, especially in technical contexts, such as regulations for sacrifices. In translating the Psalter special effort was made to provide a smooth, rhythmic translation for easy singing or recitation, and to retain the concrete imagery of the Hebrew."

"Where the Old Testament translation supposes the received text—Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek, as the case may be—ordinarily contained in the best-known editions, as the original or the oldest extant form, no additional remarks are necessary. Where the translators have departed from those received texts, e.g., by following the Septuagint rather than the Masoretic text, accepting a reading of what is judged to be a better textual tradition, as from a Qumran manuscript, or by emending a reading apparently corrupted in transmission, such changes are recorded in the revised edition of the Textual Notes on the New American Bible. Additional information on the textual tradition for some books may be found in the introduction to the book in the same Textual Notes."
Preface, PREFACE TO THE REVISED NEW AMERICAN BIBLE OLD TESTAMENT | USCCB

Just to add the NABRE translates parts also from the Septuagint.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
The name of Jesus is intentionally hidden in scripture. But prophecy of Christ is not.

When Jesus spoke to the two disciples on the road to Emmaus, he opened up to them the truth of the scriptures.

Luke 24:27. 'And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.'

In Deuteronomy 18:15, Moses prophesies the coming of a Prophet. This is not Moses himself, nor is it Muhammad! Jesus, however, confirms his authority as that Prophet [John 17:8].
In science.

A man says I began science pi O thesis caused thought around my physical head mind changed as bio origin consciousness.

Satan asteroid collision of earth star.

As a prophet is to predict returns in the future. By that mass exactly warned.

So the passing by earth wandering star was predicted. A time in the future where biology owned the healing of heavens evolution.

In a non star collision.

Stated exactly known by mind brain conditions change of science about gases. Spirit alight above. That bodily fell gas sacrificed.

Natural innate psychic aware about all things. Humans in nature.

Not named Jesus as a star mass isn't Jesus. It's wandering holy saviour star not colliding.

What you are all wrong about where and why a man gained scientific advice first originally. And it was by his head...man consciousness.

Not holy at all.

The non colliding star not burning allowed earth to re mass cold gases as a body mass returned above. Spirit body non alight gases.

A teaching only. How mind health to man son returned like his origin spiritual father life. By non attack cosmic.

So brother you frack break huge stone pressures to get a gas. In law where a gas is in stone mass...human only science controlled.

Why did your correct holy brother ban Alchemy to get a gas?

He knew you broke space time laws to get a machine out of earths seam where law in space held cold molten metal seams.

Alchemy dusts had already been involved in attacked broken the seamed earth mass.

So you putting it back together was a holy law contradiction.

Vision I saw....first giant pyramid was not used to get gold out of nuclear dusts. Man had used it as bio time shift machination outside of space time light.

He owned intention to put human inside pyramid...I saw to transport them back as bio humans standing inside reactive pyramid into eternal form only. Lying.

Outside of light space time holding biology living. His origin thesis real to theory.

They combusted. His voice recorded as Satan man said as I saw the vision....don't tell your family what you learnt female.

It's why we see the machine leaving earths mass with designer thought only an alien.

Ever wonder why a designer man said he was the alien?

Memory Theist scientist. Human only.

Machine parts his were put back inside earth mass as a cold instant snap fused evidence?

No says science.

It's because you wanted to be human transported out beyond space time as the biological man.

Instead the alien attacks biology a machine leaving time space of earth and we leave human bio life as early age bio life sacrificed.

As we aren't the law a machine you liars.

Thanks so much for lying scientist man. It's why my holy brother named you life's destroyer as he was correct.

By living past his biology sacrifice new man's realised consciousness in memory has advised me what he actually knew. As it wasn't data or a book.

As conscious man told spirit stories as natural biological man the interpreter of science.

Why you were told testimony only. Legal. Book shut don't read satanic science it's evil. You cannot interpret it into holy advice as it's evil.

Sworn oath to uphold healing ceremony only song light therapies oil therapies...incense...music....medical and healthy lifestyle tending garden.

Holy water lifted by vibration song music in building structure built to cause it exact..... bathed the sick body in to rebirth of life into a healthy cell.

Ceremony only no book reading was involved once.
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Why, so as to confuse us?

You said "Why would people serve Jesus Christ if he is not God? Is this not breaking the great commandment to worship only God?"

The Jews only worship G-d, yet they do not worship Jesus.
You do not have to worship Jesus to follow what he taught.
If you check the scriptures you will see that Jesus said, 'Follow me'. The reason Christians follow Jesus and not a list of commandments is that a Christian walks by the Spirit of Christ, not by the letter of the law. It is, therefore, essential that a person following Jesus be filled with the Holy Spirit.

This is why the Christian Church was not born until the day of Pentecost.

As regards the identity of the Messiah, it is written: 'But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.' [1 Cor.2:6,7]

What this passage is saying is that Jesus' identity is tied in with his mission. If the forces of evil (the 'princes of this world') had known that his mission was to die as the Saviour from sin, they would not have crucified him!
 

Five Solas

Active Member
If you check the scriptures you will see that Jesus said, 'Follow me'. The reason Christians follow Jesus and not a list of commandments is that a Christian walks by the Spirit of Christ, not by the letter of the law. It is, therefore, essential that a person following Jesus be filled with the Holy Spirit.

This is why the Christian Church was not born until the day of Pentecost.

As regards the identity of the Messiah, it is written: 'But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.' [1 Cor.2:6,7]

What this passage is saying is that Jesus' identity is tied in with his mission. If the forces of evil (the 'princes of this world') had known that his mission was to die as the Saviour from sin, they would not have crucified him!

Yes, it is interesting to discover that no one - not even the closest circle of disciples who became the apostles - really knew or understood who Jesus really was. They did not really know that He was God until all became clear after His resurrection, assentation and as you say the coming of the Spirit.

Only then did the pieces of the puzzle fall in place. Only then did they understand who Jesus really was.

And the apostles did not fabricate fantastical stories about Jesus - they only told people what they have seen. Then, when people also discover who and what Jesus really is and what He had done, they come to faith.

That is the power of the Gospel - just tell what happened.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Our Theist designer science inventor brother God statements is a liar.

He always was our life destroyer by his theme cult group behaviours of just men and just human men who agree.

All in one place all using the same agreements.

He was a baby man first with a spiritual human life brain changed by gods rock mass burning falling star.

That brought gas light information to his brain prickled chemical human bio attack.

I know I gained brain prickling in new machine of God man experiments controlled by his man brain thinking. Designer controller of machines the designer man.

Position machine in gods earth laws are deep Inside cold metal earth seams

I'm a human woman mother sister daughter. Life human bio his life continuance by themed immaculate ovary conception.

As sperm isn't a baby it's human microbial life. As is an ovary...life a human microbial as said by human men thinkers.

Law and legal and truth and correct as against evil men thinking.... bad yet paid for human behaviour....as it's all about man status egotism money lifestyle greed. Human behaviours self destructive.

So a man a thinker says human life came from microbial bodies. His human type. As just a human. Said it was immaculate baby conceived as neither microbial type is actually the baby.

Said as I teach my human teaching against my owned destroyer man Theist number designer human. I said to myself don't self idolate either then taught evil.... yet said why my man baby is so holy.

You do a review...the topic discussing man's chosen evils should not have been re assessed...as he only reiterated his bad mind again. Why he's wrong today.

If you'd said both babies mutual equal holy are not designed and didn't come from man's number calculus today you might not be so self possessed.

As a human a man a Theist and liar.

You only had to stop machine practices. Heal your sick mind and return to conscious human natural thinking to know that the use of microbial concepts in thesis human.... makes the human the giant.

In thesis. Which you arrogantly ignore today... no human life is any giant.

No machines no fake possessed human answers either. Answers only said for human study of anything a human desired to study.

Yet if I owned machines and used your life as the victim as the human aware... you'd certainly would give up your evil fake theories machine concepts.

Yet you don't as you became rich and powerful by design itself. And you self idolated your historical parents or family as a thinker claiming self noterity today by past just human namesake.

The liar man said I gained the concept electricity from lightning. In theory he got it from coal...an outright human lie.

He said clean nuclear fuel advice he compared by mind of man himself to temple technology nuclear past blow out. Men had caused by science terms just human..... Lied again. As power plant melt down kills of everything.

So he proves he uses his own minds advice about scientific advice past and present and just lies about it.

As the God that advised man's science was Satan's God asteroid star mass fall only.

As man already naturally human existed then contemplates his own destruction.

As natural cosmic law is earths heavens when huge past storm activity is re enacted as past cosmic laws...power plant on ground overheats by atmospheric mass ground water evaporation.... blows up.

Rivers run dry as you return to the scene nuclear crime. Past.

As in human past cosmic heaven destruction was the thesis. Past. To theory about human man's past nuclear causes. Just science calculated by just men. Attack overcoming attack to evolved now cooling.

Which he obviously ignored as natural human man's first and only advice. About his past and his man humans past science causes.

Huge reactive storms above attacking changing below.

Congratulations brother liar.

First man mind sacrificed natural man was innocent.

He became humans evil king High priest lord of trade technology. Sacrificed himself then lied about who was innocent first.

A long time ago said man scientist as first man he said was really the Phi theist. Hurt mind biology changed man. Said he was aware known about it himself. The Theist man.

It wasn't new testament king lord technology man who got hurt as innocent man...I'm lying....proving in his modern mind he knew.

He knew enough advice to warn it now....as it took thousands of years before his mind body healed to remember old pyramid technology again as new.

He knew 2000 year healed man's mind would be worse than before about his owned destructive mentality. And he was correct as nuclear....power plant man.

Using plant and the word power out of its holy One word context. As a plant is healer medical advice only.

As it's what his mind does as a con.

It's why con science said human con sciousness would warn him. He's a liar. Scientist never told any truth as mineral advice awareness was used for human medical healer advices only.

The human liar man theist scientist destroyer.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Jews generally kind of laugh at this very Christian apologetic. Most don't know the language but they make this statement because they are taught by their apologists to say it. Imagine the frustration of the Jew who knows the language, while his own scripture is so badly twisted to suit an imposition. Amazing.

It is frustrating for Christians who find out that echad can mean a compound one, to find that the Jews are saying that it can only mean a unity one at the Shema (Deut 6:4)
The reason is not the language.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
It is frustrating for Christians who find out that echad can mean a compound one, to find that the Jews are saying that it can only mean a unity one at the Shema (Deut 6:4)
The reason is not the language.

Where did you "Find out" that echad "can" mean a compound one?

Do you mean as a standalone word Echad or in conjunction with another word? Which Hebrew source of grammar did you "find that out" from?

Thanks.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
You are mistaken. Christian bibles translate mostly from the Septuagint. Indeed the only Christian translation I am aware of that translates ONLY from the Hebrew, is the New American Bible, which makes it the best Christian translation IMHO.

My information is that the OT of most Christian Bibles is based on the Masoretic text and other texts are used to critically review the Hebrew of the Masoretic text if it is thought necessary. Variations in the texts seem to be noted in the footnotes in the various Bible translations.

List of English Bible translations - Wikipedia

It does not say the source texts for the NAB on this site. Others give the Masoretic as the main text used.
 
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