Brian2
Veteran Member
Brian: the point is that the messiah will fulfill them all, and Jesus just didn't. If there were even one prophecy he didn't fulfill, it would mean he was not the messiah. I'll give you three:
1. The messiah will usher in an era of world wide peace. Jesus didn't.
2. The messiah will bring all Jews back to the land of Isreal. Jesus didn't.
3. The messiah will rule from jerusalem. Jesus didn't.
True Jesus has not done these yet.
But it is the Jewish idea that the Messiah was not to be killed and raised again (as Isa 53 tells us) and go to heaven to be given His Kingdom (as in Dan 7:13,14) and see His children (again Isa 53) as the word of God goes out from Jerusalem (Isa 2:3)
Jews don't see passages as Messianic and don't see the Messianic age as very long it seems. To Christians the Messiah is so important, more so than to Jews it seems and when we read certain passages, because we see the Messianic age as long, because Jesus rose and went to heaven to be crowned and is living to see His children, and see the word of God go out from Jerusalem to the gentiles we also see that the peace that is promised will not be straight away and other events in prophecy even they are in sentences next to each other are actually hundreds of years apart. This is what happens in events at the start of Isa 2. And when it speaks of LORD coming to judge the nations and sort things out, that is the Messiah who is doing that, God is coming in the person of the Son. It is the Son who is going to do the judging and ruling (as in Psalm 2) when He inherits the nations. It is the Messiah who will be the light to the nations and salvation to the gentiles. (Isa 49:6)
The Islands will come to the Messiah and He will bring forth justice (Isa 42:1-4) over time.
It is the Messiah who will crush Kings and judge the nations and drink from the brook (Psalm 110)(Isa 63:1-6)
So the Messiah does it all (including dying and rising) and it is over a long time.
Too much to take in and you have probably seen it before and not believed it because you are a Jew and see it all differently of course.
I also see Psalm 89:24-52 as being about the Messiah, the horn of David, who calls God His Father and whom God makes His firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. Read further and you will see that His crown is thrown to the ground and He is killed in His youth (unlike David) then Ethan the Ezrahite laments and wonders how long the LORD is going to be angry with His people. "Will you hide yourself forever?" he asks God.