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That's a possibility.
And you know that how? Mind you, I'm very far from being a literalist and/or a believer in biblical inerrancy, but it seems you've gone way overboard with your statement above.
No that was my question, you didn't answer it. If he had quoted say something eschatological out of Matthew that would have entailed a completely different conversation, instead this so-called comma gets picked up and that is made the new subject of discussion. They call that a strawman, more or less. Nonetheless you made a statement 'Interesting that Mark 16:9-20 Itself was not part of earlier manuscripts' which no one can tell where or how it was formed, you are not an expert, you just said so. Were you quoting a critical scholar mentioned on the page, or were you summarizing a speculation found on the page? And this only after you were compelled to give up the source for your statement.
No one can agree on what to remove from the scriptures and there are many different Christians.
Didn't really see a question, just assumptions. Perhaps if you could put it clearly in the form of a question?
Did you even read the rest of that article? There is listed there much of the evidence for its inclusion which you failed to read, or at least didn't bother to mention. I guess we'll just pretend that that article is entirely in support of your single statement then? Maybe we should instead thank you for providing much of the evidence that supports the contrary!
I would say that he accomplished phase one and then said “Start phase two"
Why? Because Jesus was speaking to His Father God from His human position, not taking to Himself. Because the Son of God became fully human in the Person of Jesus Christ, therefore He endured and experienced the full range of human emotions, including grief and agony. The sins of the world were laid upon Jesus…the Father had to turn His back on and forsake His beloved Son. This was horrendously painful for Jesus who had always been eternally In loving relationship with His Father. The is the excruciating price both the Father and the Son paid for our sins, so that we would not have to endure such painful separation from God, our Creator and Source of all life, love, and goodness. Jesus words are understandable to me.
Of course he was talking to himself. In the triune notion there's only one god, isn't there?
Explain this mystery to me, since although I've asked it before, no one has responded. God is omnipotent, right? If [he] wants to forgive sins, [he] just has to say, "Hey everyone, your sins are all forgiven, okay?"
No.
He didn't. He repudiated blood sacrifice like Hosea and David did. The cleansing of the temple was about violence, but the Pharisees spun it as being about commerce.
One Godhead, three Persons; Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
You mean like a judge in a courtroom should just forgive crimes, “Hey, your murders, rapes, thefts, child abuse, kidnappings, etc. are all forgiven; you’re free, carry on”?
That seems more just than atonement theology: "hey - I punished the only completely innocent man for a weekend, so your murders, rapes, thefts, child abuse, kidnappings, etc. are all forgiven; you’re free, carry on."
Not quite, because since I believe Jesus is God and because of His human sinlessness, He Alone was capable of carrying the weight and paying for the sins of the world. According to the scriptures, those who place their faith in Him as their advocate and Savior must do so with repentance and sorrow for their actions, not a flippant attitude of continuing on in sin. Finally, those who give their lives to Jesus have their lives transformed and are made new… so no carrying on.
There is no lack of punishment. The punishment was placed upon Jesus Christ; by His choice in order to open the way for mercy and forgiveness. Repentance alone doesn’t save anyone, rather trusting that Jesus paid for one’s sins.