Jesus Failed Right?

[IndigoChild5559]

paarsurrey said:
Only because the prophecy has been fulfilled with the advent of the Second Coming 1835-1908 please, right?

It is my understanding that only the The Ahmadiyya movement believes this.

Let's look at what the Messiah is to do:
"He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore."

Jesus did not usher in that era of worldwide peace. Neither did anyone else between 1835-1908.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

All Muslims believe that Jesus was the last prophet.

This is not an area where I know a lot, so help me out. In Islam, isn't a Messenger a KIND of prophet, basically a prophet who receieves a new scripture or new divine laws? If that is the case, then Muhammed, who they say is a messenger, is also a prophet.

 

[Trailblazer]

So we have Buddha - Jesus - Bahaullah .. Teaching the same principles .. Muhammad does not make the "which one is not like the others cut unfortunately .. who is next and/or current Messiah.

I do not believe that Muhammad was the next and/or current Messiah.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I believe the angel Gabriel stated His mission.
(Matt 1:21 [ESV2011])
She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”

Oh? I thought his mission was to be the Messiah, which has nothing to do with saving people from their sins.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

" (@firedragon said in the post) Also Nakosis, Jesus is coming back in the Christian faith. "

That is not the case, Yeshua is not to come in the Pauline-Christianity people, he is to come in the followers of Muhammad, please, right?

Regards

Oh brother. You come up with some good ones, please right?

 

[Truthseeker]

In the modern era, the Christian nations of that Holy Empire in Europe, such as Great Britain, Spain, France, Portugal, Denmark, Germany, Russia, would own the world; combined world empire. They would even inherit the Western Hemisphere; Americas, with all that open pristine land and natural resources. It was being saved.

I don't see all of that as the good fruits of Christ. Owning the world and oppressing the people there is not good. It's good they taught Christianity, but too many of them were subtly or not so subtly had it imposed on them. The Americas did not have open pristeen land. It was pristeen, but not open to people coming and subjecting the people under their thumb that had not made it unpristeen like the Westerners did.

There were good fruits of Christ, but definitely not those. Try again.

 

[Sargonski]

I do not believe that Muhammad was the next and/or current Messiah.

Yes .. which is why I said he did not make the cut

 

[firedragon]

All Muslims believe that Jesus was the last prophet.

Can you provide evidence that "All Muslims believe that Jesus was the last prophet"?

I can give you evidence all don't. Since I don't. Not my family. Not anyone I have ever known in my life. This is not in any books on Islamic theology. I don't know if you made an honest mistake. Thus, please do clarify.

 

[firedragon]

I do not believe that Muhammad was the next and/or current Messiah.

No Muslim does.

 

[Trailblazer]

Can you provide evidence that "All Muslims believe that Jesus was the last prophet"?

I can give you evidence all don't. Since I don't. Not my family. Not anyone I have ever known in my life. This is not in any books on Islamic theology. I don't know if you made an honest mistake. Thus, please do clarify.

Sorry, that was a typo. I meant to say all Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last prophet.
Thanks for pointing that out. I just edited my post.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

In the modern era, the Christian nations of that Holy Empire in Europe, such as Great Britain, Spain, France, Portugal, Denmark, Germany, Russia, would own the world; combined world empire.

I'm very confused. Not only were Great Britain, Denmark, etc., never a part of the Holy Roman Empire, but the Holy Roman Empire hasn't existed for many hundreds of years.

 

[firedragon]

Sorry, that was a typo. I meant to say all Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last prophet.
Thanks for pointing that out. I just edited my post.

Ah I thought so. No problem Trailblazer. Anyway I know that you are above that kind of ignorance so obviously I guessed you had made a typo.

Thank you very much for taking the time to clarify. Cheers.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Sorry, that was a typo. I meant to say all Muslims believe that Muhammad was the last prophet.
Thanks for pointing that out. I just edited my post.

Thanks so much for clarifying. Shalom, my friend.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Prophet Mohamed isn’t the messiah. Allah mentions in the Quran that he was the seal of the prophethood. Jesus according to the Quran and Hadith is the messiah and wil return before the end of the days. This is what every Muslim believes and the teachings of Islam

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey wrote: post

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The prophecy has been fulfilled with the advent of the Second Coming 1835-1908 please, right?

Yeshua was a very successful person as when he :

1. after the event of Cross, in which he got saved miraculously as he was delivered from the Cross alive
2. as he had already told that he was sent to the Israelites only
3. so when he went secretly out of Judea/Roman lands from Galilee, and late his Mother-Mary also joined him
4. wherever Yeshua went to meet the 10 lost tribes of Israel, they accepted as a truthful Messiah/Messenger/Prophet of G-d, please, right?

Why are the Pauline-Christianity people inimical (like Saul of Tarsus aka Paul) to Yeshua that they don't accept it, right, please?

Jesus would return in the flesh

(Jesus) Yeshua did not come again physically and or bodily but in his spirit, in the form of Second Coming 1835-1908 / Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, please, right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Oh really? I have a few questions about that, but I then wonder what Muslims think about that, in other words, is it considered by Muslims that Mohammed is the last prophet. I hope @paarsurrey or someone knowledgeable can answer this.

" Mohammed is the last prophet "

Sure, he is, please, right?
It mean that (Jesus) Yeshua will not come in the deviant Pauline-Christianity/follower of deviant Pauline NT-Bible but , I understand, will come as follower of Muhammad and Quran in the Truthful Religion Islam with title names Promised Messiah / Imam Mahdi as has truthfully happened in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, right, please?
So kindly get one's concept corrected accordingly, please, right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Oh really? I have a few questions about that, but I then wonder what Muslims think about that, in other words, is it considered by Muslims that Mohammed is the last prophet. I hope @paarsurrey or someone knowledgeable can answer this.

" Mohammed is the last prophet "

Sure, he is, please, right?
It mean that (Jesus) Yeshua will not come in the deviant Pauline-Christianity/follower of deviant Pauline NT-Bible but , I understand, will come as follower of Muhammad and Quran in the Truthful Religion Islam with title names Promised Messiah / Imam Mahdi as has truthfully happened in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, right, please?
So kindly get one's concept corrected accordingly, please, right?
G-d conversed with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 and told him the (Jesus)Yeshua did not die a cursed death on the Cross, he died a natural death later; and G-d has made him the Imam Mahdi and the Promised Messiah and the reformer of all truthful religions and Second Coming that was to come, this is his claim, please, right?
So, Muhammad Remains the last prophet and one of his follower and the follower of Law given to Muhammad became Second Coming 1835-1908, right, please?

Regards

 

[YoursTrue]

" Mohammed is the last prophet "

Sure, he is, please, right?
It mean that (Jesus) Yeshua will not come in the deviant Pauline-Christianity/follower of deviant Pauline NT-Bible but , I understand, will come as follower of Muhammad and Quran in the Truthful Religion Islam with title names Promised Messiah / Imam Mahdi as has truthfully happened in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, right, please?
So kindly get one's concept corrected accordingly, please, right?
G-d conversed with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 and told him the (Jesus)Yeshua did not die a cursed death on the Cross, he died a natural death later; and G-d has made him the Imam Mahdi and the Promised Messiah and the reformer of all truthful religions and Second Coming that was to come, this is his claim, please, right?
So, Muhammad Remains the last prophet and one of his follower and the follower of Law given to Muhammad became Second Coming 1835-1908, right, please?

Regards

OK, I'm not saying you can't speak English well but it would be nice for you to explain what you mean. If possible. Why do you keep calling part of the Bible as deviant Pauline-etc. ? Can you please explain exactly why you are saying that? That's one point, maybe I can follow up your other ideas after that. Thank you. (OK, I won't say yes please ok?)

 

[YoursTrue]

" Mohammed is the last prophet "

Sure, he is, please, right?
It mean that (Jesus) Yeshua will not come in the deviant Pauline-Christianity/follower of deviant Pauline NT-Bible but , I understand, will come as follower of Muhammad and Quran in the Truthful Religion Islam with title names Promised Messiah / Imam Mahdi as has truthfully happened in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, right, please?
So kindly get one's concept corrected accordingly, please, right?
G-d conversed with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 and told him the (Jesus)Yeshua did not die a cursed death on the Cross, he died a natural death later; and G-d has made him the Imam Mahdi and the Promised Messiah and the reformer of all truthful religions and Second Coming that was to come, this is his claim, please, right?
So, Muhammad Remains the last prophet and one of his follower and the follower of Law given to Muhammad became Second Coming 1835-1908, right, please?

Regards

Thank you for your regards. Same here. So now whether you accept it or not, here is one text that shows Jesus related his thoughts to his servants. Naturally there are others.
Revelation 1:1
"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,"
The rest of Revelation is fantastic and very telling. (Have a nice day... )

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus Failed Right?

No, never, no it ; is the Paulines who project (Jesus)Yeshua in such a way, right, please?
They do it only looking on his 3 upto 32 years time in Judea, they don't account for his full natural life , of 120 years and so, please, right?

Regards