Jesus - First Born?

[YoursTrue]

I was highlighting what I thought were important concepts from the text about Edom, and how they relate to England. This is relevant because of the British mandate for Palestine.

Drinking from the cup relates to wine and to the punishment of Babylon:

And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Revelation 14:8-10

Surely you remind me of people like William Tyndale, the Bible translator who was killed and burned because of his translating and religious work.

 

[Ebionite]

Surely you remind me of people like William Tyndale, the Bible translator who was killed and burned because of his translating and religious work.

The difference is that we now live in an age of information where the spread of ideas is limited only by the knowledge of the speaker rather than by the material resources that were required to publish the information.

The prophetic context for the wine and the cup is associated with the time of the end and the dishonour of the crown of pride, which leads to the common communion of the Church of England and of Rome.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus - First Born?

Yes, Jesus was born of Mary only once, right?

Regards

 

[YoursTrue]

The difference is that we now live in an age of information where the spread of ideas is limited only by the knowledge of the speaker rather than by the material resources that were required to publish the information.

The prophetic context for the wine and the cup is associated with the time of the end and the dishonour of the crown of pride, which leads to the common communion of the Church of England and of Rome.

Tyndale was persecuted and killed because some religious leaders did not want him to translate the Bible into English.

 

[FredVB]

Christ was from the first, as Logos, before the incarnation, and was known already he would come and be the first from the resurrection that all may have through him.

 

[Ebionite]

Tyndale was persecuted and killed because some religious leaders did not want him to translate the Bible into English.

Yes, it diminished the influence of the religious hierarchy because people could interpret the text for themselves.

Opposition to new ideas about religion is inevitable, especially the idea the crucifixion should be interpreted as ant act of justice rather than an act of sacrifice.

 

[Ebionite]

Christ was from the first, as Logos, before the incarnation, and was known already he would come and be the first from the resurrection that all may have through him.

This idea was reflected in the differences between the Saxon ten commandments and the original.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The context of Romans 9:13 relates to predestination, which is not supported by Malachi since he lived after the time of Esau.
(For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.Romans 9:11-13

Predestination, or rather God's foreknowledge (Genesis 25:23-26) Not of eternal destinies. Often in Scripture 'hate ' means to love to a lesser degree.
God's choice was Not based on what Jacob and Esau did prior to birth. - Romans 9:11 B
In the national groups descending from the two (Jacob and Esau) one would gain a dominant position over the other.
Which one would the promised 'seed' appear - Genesis 27:29; 28:13-14
Being in a lower position did Not prohibit Esau from gaining God's approval.
We find Jacob and Esau embracing by the time of Genesis 33:3-4
Together Jacob and Esau bury their father by the time of Genesis 35:29

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You posted the psalms 137: 9 on post #850. So instead of assuming you knew what it was about, i looked it up in YLT bible and copied the context.

Psalm 137:9 corresponds with Isaiah 13:1, 16 the magnitude of prophecies coming true.
The expression ' dashed to pieces ' meaning the family name would be wiped out.
Compare with Hosea 10:14 when mothers were dashed to pieces alongside their children. ( end of family line )

 

[URAVIP2ME]

................Opposition to new ideas about religion is inevitable, especially the idea the crucifixion should be interpreted as an act of justice rather than an act of sacrifice.

The way to rescue fallen mankind was an arrangement based on God's Un-selfish love.- " God IS love "
Jesus' ransom thus balanced the Scales of Justice for us.- Matthew 20:28
Adam started out with perfect human life, but Adam proved un-faithful under good righteous conditions.
Jesus also started out with perfect human life, but unlike Adam Jesus proved faithful under adverse conditions.

 

[Bthoth]

The way to rescue fallen mankind was an arrangement based on God's Un-selfish love.- " God IS love "
Jesus' ransom thus balanced the Scales of Justice for us.- Matthew 20:28
Adam started out with perfect human life, but Adam proved un-faithful under good righteous conditions.
Jesus also started out with perfect human life, but unlike Adam Jesus proved faithful under adverse conditions.

that's harsh.

Ever wondered if jesus cared about us, as equally capable?
To understand how, all can be just as good?

That is what the unveiling is about. Didnt you know (expect that)?

 

[Bthoth]

Psalm 137:9 corresponds with Isaiah 13:1, 16 the magnitude of prophecies coming true.

i agree.

The expression ' dashed to pieces ' meaning the family name would be wiped out.

Names to people are not the importance. The holy of holies, is 'the name' of god. Which enables mankind.

Compare with Hosea 10:14 when mothers were dashed to pieces alongside their children. ( end of family line )

Lots of stories. Focus on the ugly parts does little for us (mankind).

 

[URAVIP2ME]

that's harsh.
Ever wondered if jesus cared about us, as equally capable?
To understand how, all can be just as good?
That is what the unveiling is about. Didnt you know (expect that)?

Sure 'all can be just as good' but how many atheists do as Jesus requested to do at Matthew 24:13-14; Acts 1:8
I know of No atheist who tells others about the good news of God's Kingdom ( thy kingdom come.... )

Please can you point to any man who ever existed who did anything similar to the degree that Christ did ?
Who has done without any powers of medicine, herbs, money, etc. bestowing only helpful, beneficial cures for men.
Jesus was showing us on a small scale preview what he will be doing on a grand-global international scale.
Healing is what his coming thousand-year governmental reign over Earth is all about.
We are all invited to pray to God the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Why? because Jesus will bring 'healing' to earth's nations ' free of charge ' - Rev. 22:2

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Names to people are not the importance. The holy of holies, is 'the name' of god. Which enables mankind.
Lots of stories. Focus on the ugly parts does little for us (mankind).

Yes, holy of holies is the 'title' name of God YHWH
Jesus did Not focus on ugly parts, but rather the ' good news ' (aka gospel) about God's Kingdom - Daniel 2:44; 7:13-14
Jesus to bring healthy 'healing' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
No one will say, " I am sick......" - Isaiah 33:24
Even enemy death will be No more on Earth - 1st Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8
Focus on these good parts does GREAT good for us (mankind) the meek who will inherit the Earth - Matt. 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11; Psalm 22:26

 

[Bthoth]

Sure 'all can be just as good' but how many atheists do as Jesus requested to do at Matthew 24:13-14; Acts 1:8

Atheist is a term used by the judgmental that expect capitulation to their interpretations.

I know of No atheist who tells others about the good news of God's Kingdom ( thy kingdom come.... )

Really. The unveiling enables mankind to understand itself within the embodiment of god. Does that help?

now you do not have to write that line again.

Please can you point to any man who ever existed who did anything similar to the degree that Christ did ?

Jesus was not the 'name of god' (christos). But many contributed to knowledge. Jesus just reaffirmed the beauty of the torah.

Mark 10:
17 And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'

18 And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;

19 the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'


About perfect and the lesson is pure about universally.

Who has done without any powers of medicine, herbs, money, etc. bestowing only helpful, beneficial cures for men.

None in the current generations. Not even i.

Jesus was showing us on a small scale preview what he will be doing on a grand-global international scale.
Healing is what his coming thousand-year governmental reign over Earth is all about.

About cancer?

We are all invited to pray to God the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !

Why not on the first pass?
Honor what he did, not what is expected.

Why? because Jesus will bring 'healing' to earth's nations ' free of charge ' - Rev. 22:2

Now you crossed the line.

Imagine today:
A woman carrying her child to your feet, you see she's gone, the child it dead, based on capable observation, nothing that you can do to bring the little one back honestly, what are your going to tell the mother?

Share the answer as if you were Jesus/messiah/christ/god himself, what will you say?

that's the damage that has occurred from the religiously compromised, losing site of practical application.

No messiah is going to fix the day. Not even jesus could do that, during a time period that a bic lighter would have been magic.

 

[Bthoth]

Yes, holy of holies is the 'title' name of God YHWH

Perfect.

Jesus did Not focus on ugly parts, but rather the ' good news ' (aka gospel) about God's Kingdom - Daniel 2:44; 7:13-14

Using Daniel...... ?
Sure, jesus shared that each and everyone is capable.

Jesus to bring healthy 'healing' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2

Who? Skip the name jesus as your person to look for.

Cool hair do, etc.... Making spirit which most all come from water could get a person in trouble.

No one will say, " I am sick......" - Isaiah 33:24

Because a person can understand that the illness can be beaten.

Even enemy death will be No more on Earth - 1st Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8

Death is a strange point of view.

To procreate, the life of now conveys to the next generation naturally: sperm/egg having the life upon the cells surviving.

Focus on these good parts does GREAT good for us (mankind) the meek who will inherit the Earth - Matt. 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11; Psalm 22:26

Scary stuff but possible

For example: the indigenous can survive with mother. The folk that require a grocery store will end up eating people to survive.

Guess which become the most valuable for survival.
Last to first, first to last.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Atheist is a term used by the judgmental that expect capitulation to their interpretations.
Really. The unveiling enables mankind to understand itself within the embodiment of god. Does that help?
now you do not have to write that line again.
Jesus was not the 'name of god' (christos). But many contributed to knowledge. Jesus just reaffirmed the beauty of the torah.
Mark 10:
17 And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'
18 And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;
19 the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'
About perfect and the lesson is pure about universally.
None in the current generations. Not even i.
About cancer?
Why not on the first pass?
Honor what he did, not what is expected.
Now you crossed the line.
Imagine today:
A woman carrying her child to your feet, you see she's gone, the child it dead, based on capable observation, nothing that you can do to bring the little one back honestly, what are your going to tell the mother?
Share the answer as if you were Jesus/messiah/christ/god himself, what will you say?
that's the damage that has occurred from the religiously compromised, losing site of practical application.
No messiah is going to fix the day. Not even jesus could do that, during a time period that a bic lighter would have been magic.

No atheist No matter how good tells others about God's Kingdom as Jesus instructed to do - Matt. 24:14; Acts 1:8
Right ! Jesus nor Christ is Not the name of God. The Tetragrammaton YHWH stands for God's Name.
In the King James Version at Psalm 83:18 is God's name in English.

In the Bible book of Job 2:4-5 we find Satan Not only challenged Job but all of us. Including the mother you mentioned.
'Touch our flesh.....' ( loose physical health ) and under adverse conditions we would Not serve God.
Both Job and Jesus under adverse conditions proved Satan a liar and so can we.
Jesus will undo all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us ( humanity ) - Rev. 22:2
This is why we are all invited to pray to God for Jesus to come ! - Rev. 22:20
Jesus will bring ' healing ' to earth's nations to the point that even enemy death will be No more on Earth.
- 1st Corinthians 15:24-26 - for 'there will be' a resurrection - John 6:40,44; Acts 24:15

 

[URAVIP2ME]

...............................Scary stuff but possible
For example: the indigenous can survive with mother. The folk that require a grocery store will end up eating people to survive.
Guess which become the most valuable for survival.
Last to first, first to last.

In the Bible we have the example of the starving widow with her son.
God sent His prophet to her and her food jar did Not become empty.
God fed the Israelites while in the wilderness Manna from Heaven for food.
So, the ones which become the most valuable for survival are the figurative 'sheep' at the time of Matthew 25:31-34,37
The 'sheep' will be the first to be here on calendar Day One of Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day governing over Earth for a thousand years.
Earth will be a beautiful paradisical Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter

 

[Bthoth]

No atheist No matter how good tells others about God's Kingdom as Jesus instructed to do - Matt. 24:14; Acts 1:8

Kingdom? Jesus was never a king and all of existence IS REAL upon the unveiling.

Right ! Jesus nor Christ is Not the name of God. The Tetragrammaton YHWH stands for God's Name.

Yep. Jesus could not unveil or open up the 'new kingdom' without the name, the christos itself.

In the King James Version at Psalm 83:18 is God's name in English.

Sure but does nothing for the unveiling.

In the Bible book of Job 2:4-5 we find Satan Not only challenged Job but all of us. Including the mother you mentioned.

Mother nature.

Lots of evil within, but all mass, all energy, all time; the trinity, survives and continues.

'Touch our flesh.....' ( loose physical health ) and under adverse conditions we would Not serve God.

here, we experience being alive. how to serve is based on what IS REAL.

Both Job and Jesus under adverse conditions proved Satan a liar and so can we.

Then why serve what is untrue? Before unveiling.

Jesus will undo all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us ( humanity ) - Rev. 22:2

Yes the unveiling enables the obsolete to become extinct. That's what knowledge does about naturally.

This is why we are all invited to pray to God for Jesus to come ! - Rev. 22:20

Awaiting? i know.

Jesus will bring ' healing ' to earth's nations to the point that even enemy death will be No more on Earth.
- 1st Corinthians 15:24-26 - for 'there will be' a resurrection - John 6:40,44; Acts 24:15

Ah... lots of pretty pictures.

What heals is what is true, resurrection has many flavors of expected application.

 

[Bthoth]

In the Bible we have the example of the starving widow with her son.

OK

God sent His prophet to her and her food jar did Not become empty.
God fed the Israelites while in the wilderness Manna from Heaven for food.

Not talking about past stories.

how about now?

So, the ones which become the most valuable for survival are the figurative 'sheep' at the time of Matthew 25:31-34,37

I know, the folk that are considered irrelevant end up the most capable.

The 'sheep' will be the first to be here on calendar Day One of Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day governing over Earth for a thousand years.
Earth will be a beautiful paradisical Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter

You are all over the place. Isaiah as describing jesus?

All you do is prove (offer evidence) that he was not, what is coming.

No need to convince me. I already know that jesus did not fulfill and why a return is sought (claimed).