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Jesus' Four Failed Prophecies About Him Returning In The Lifetimes Of His Apostles

Brian2

Brian2

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Subduction Zone said:
The problem is that none of those floods would be the Flood of Noah. No one is denying that floods have occurred. There was never a flood that made a boat necessary. People were never threatened with extinction in that matter.

And yes, there appears to have been a human bottleneck about 70,000 years ago. Do you know the extent of that bottleneck? The population got down to about 1,000 people. And that left a mark. Think of what a Noah's Ark type flood would do. Let me give you an example. You know how hard it is to transplant organs I assume. The body will reject foreign tissues. Cheetahs went through an almost Noah's Ark level of bottleneck about 10,000 years ago. They have no problem with transplants. There have been experiments where skin tissue was transplanted between two random cheetahs. The tissues were not rejected. Any two random cheetahs share more DNA than you do with your own brothers or sisters (assuming that you are not an identical twin).
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We are talking about a time that is considered pre history. There may well have been a flood, floods that required a boat for survival. Certainly the legends of floods tell us that some sort of boat was there.
Certainly the Noah flood went on for so long that a boat would have been needed.
But of course I do not see the Noah flood as just one world wide flood, so all those smaller floods could have done what God wanted and it seems that the Bible can be understood and translated to mean that the Noah flood was more localised than has been thought.
It sounds like a bottleneck every so often could have some good results at least. I always get annoyed that products have not got interchangeable/standardized parts from one brand to another.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Brian2 said:
We are talking about a time that is considered pre history. There may well have been a flood, floods that required a boat for survival. Certainly the legends of floods tell us that some sort of boat was there.
Certainly the Noah flood went on for so long that a boat would have been needed.
But of course I do not see the Noah flood as just one world wide flood, so all those smaller floods could have done what God wanted and it seems that the Bible can be understood and translated to mean that the Noah flood was more localised than has been thought.
It sounds like a bottleneck every so often could have some good results at least. I always get annoyed that products have not got interchangeable/standardized parts from one brand to another.
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A flood may have been necessary for some people to survive. But that is it. It would not take a hundred years to build such a boat since it would make much more sense to walk uphill. Have you looked into the history of the myth at all? It did not originate with the ancient Hebrews. They copied it from the Babylonians who got the story from an older tribe. As told in the Bible it never happened. Noah is fictional.


EDIT: That is good news for Christians. It means that God is not nearly as genocidal as the Old Testament paints him to be.
 
samtonga43

samtonga43

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Subduction Zone said:
Nope. Once again you are assuming that there is an "all" in quote number two. It is not there. And if you look at the context it is still not there. You can make this false claims as often as you like, but it will still be wrong. Context matters.
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So here is the context, SZ:
We appeared to agree that Christians who cannot differentiate between the various literary forms of Scripture are “Extreme Christians”.

Then you were asked if it is idolatry to believe what is written in the Bible? You replied:

"It can be. If what is written in the Bible ends up with a lying God I would think so".

You objected when I pointed out that the word “if” is important here. You set up a conditional conjunction, which means that the main clause (“what is written in the Bible ends up with a lying God”) would have to be proved. You obviously cannot do this. You then stated that...

"It is rather clear that biblical beliefs are wrong. They end up being self contradicting sooner or later. What I was working for is minimizing the errors of Christians".

However, it is not clear that biblical beliefs are wrong. You are mistaken.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
samtonga43 said:
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So here is the context, SZ:
We appeared to agree that Christians who cannot differentiate between the various literary forms of Scripture are “Extreme Christians”.

Then you were asked if it is idolatry to believe what is written in the Bible? You replied:

"It can be. If what is written in the Bible ends up with a lying God I would think so".

You objected when I pointed out that the word “if” is important here. You set up a conditional conjunction, which means that the main clause (“what is written in the Bible ends up with a lying God”) would have to be proved. You obviously cannot do this.

It is rather clear that biblical beliefs are wrong. They end up being self contradicting sooner or later. What I was working for is minimizing the errors of Christians.

It is not clear that biblical beliefs are wrong. You are mistaken.
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Please don't play silly games if you want a conversation.

It appears that you were purposefully trying to misunderstand when you focused on that one word. You asked the wrong question in regards to it.

And you are quite incorrect. Some Bible beliefs are terribly wrong.
 
samtonga43

samtonga43

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
Please don't play silly games if you want a conversation.

It appears that you were purposefully trying to misunderstand when you focused on that one word. You asked the wrong question in regards to it.

And you are quite incorrect. Some Bible beliefs are terribly wrong.
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Just providing context, SZ.

LOL! It is not I who 'misunderstands'.
But we do agree that NOT ALL Bible beliefs are 'terribly wrong'. Good. You should use that word 'some' more often.
 
R

rational experiences

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Four seasons.
+ Cross four L back to back.

Science says a circle O and some numbers.

God says O earth and mass.

Science says products of earth to build science my machine

Creation created and formed.

Science men. Humans claim I invent only.

So we peruse men humans.

They build inventions machines. Science status of.

Then science said I must prove science is wrong as life was attacked.

Natural laws changed.

Laws of nature .....
O earth a fused energy stone mass. Ended as God sealed.

God O then created after presence in space said sealed.

First law seal broken. Volcano ejection.

That moment science based its thesis beginnings

Science only a planet condition.

What is correct about science?

Just science.

Maths is using numbers to state predictions by data.. years...conditions.

Causes natural. Always were.

If Jesus was natural then no argument would exist.

Basic common human sense says so.

If science says all one self bodies owning one presence as one form given one description it's word then all ones equal support as one.

Science does not believe in one.

They claim zero not one.

Basic common sense. Science is wrong.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
samtonga43 said:
Just providing context, SZ.

LOL! It is not I who 'misunderstands'.
But we do agree that NOT ALL Bible beliefs are 'terribly wrong'. Good. You should use that word 'some' more often.
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No need to when it is clear from context. And of course it is you that misunderstands. You should not jump to conclusions so quickly.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
samtonga43 said:
I have shown you that it is not clear from context. You may understand if you re-read #463 - carefully.
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False, you never did that. You had to quote out of context to do that.

Did you know that by your standards the Bible says denies the existence of God? Fifteen separate times it says "there is no God".
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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samtonga43 said:
Oh, as I said not ALL of them.
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It is a mistake to try to interpret posts what you want them to mean rather than trying to understand them. That is a version of using strawman arguments.

But let's discuss the failings of the Bible. Is it proper to call Jeffrey Dahmer a cannibalistic serial killer?
 
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