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Jesus in India

cbachinger

Peace in wisdom
Hi there! im new and look forward to enlightened debates :d

Just to be clear here, im a spiritual athiest.

After a long religious/spiritual journey, reading books, listening to audio and feeling an unfulfilled space within me, that was finally answered, there is not doubt in my mind that Jesus spend many decades living and preaching in India.

Not only that but as many others have learned themselves, the modern new testament (particularly the gospel of Matthew), had been apparently written by the disciple but over the centuries been rewritten many times to suit the needs of the church.

Jesus's missing years from when he was about 12 years til about 30, is omitted apart from a single sentence in Luke, that millions (including me) accepted without question but today many now wonder: WHY?
There is enough evidence, ranging from physical objects to stories, that prove to openminded people and challenge strict doctrine-led people, that jesus travelled to india via the silk road arrived in Srinagar (a beautiful area of war torn kashmir and is also challenged to be the true 'milk and honey' which moses led the jews to). and actually, jesus said he wanted to unite 'the lost tribes' going as far as india to do so; would this not highlight something important here?
He trained under hindu and buddhist leaders and practiced various arts of healing from nepal down to Orissa in south-east india (where st. thomas is buried to this day). this would support his feelings towards acceptance of most of the world religions. In the hemis monestary in ladakh, nepal, there is a whole archive of information about his life and even a colour portrait which shows a man that is definitely not local and the monks confirm it to be painted 2000 years ago. wouldnt it be great for millions of loyal followers to actually have a good look of this extraordinary man?

He then travelled back to his hometown and the bible continues from there...

And there is lots of evidence to clearly show that jesus do not die on the cross and india as well as other writers will stand by this fact. a person crucified can hang for days but jesus died within 6 or 9 hours, which surprised many and he would not have been the first person to get whipped. what is important to point out and the colour portrait shows this; because jesus travelled on foot a lot, taking on the outdoor elements, he was a strong and sturdy man. his legs were not broken like the 2 criminals next to him and so this allowed him to continue a v v slow rate of breathing, as through his extensive studies would have permitted him to go into a deep state of 'near-death'.

when he appeared to his disciples and said he was hungry; not possible - a resurrected body has no need to eat; ask any expert in this field. he left with his mother, brother thomas (who later died in orissa) and close friend and scribe juda (he was not the betrayer), do the research and youll find that there was another juda (son of the one priest), whose name got switched in order to trick the people.

Mary died in a town named after her in Pakistan - Murree and a man in afghanistan will support this as he insists he has been to her tomb many times. her tomb today is surrounded by a miltary fence. jesus continued on and settled in familiar srinagar where he married and had several children. some say that his tomb is not in srinigar (the tomb of yus asaf) but Aziz Kashmiri will swear on any pile of religious book you give him, that this is jesus' final resting place. locals argue this fact and that having jesus buried here would be an insult to the quran. well the positioning of the building does not support them.

for those of u who 'see', welcome to the light.
 

cyberman

New Member
There is enough evidence, ranging from physical objects to stories, that prove .. that jesus travelled to india via the silk road arrived in Srinagar

This is a remarkable claim. You state not only that such evidence exists, but that the evidence actually PROVES that Jesus went to Srinagar.
Can you signpost us to some of this proof, please?
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
Hi there! im new and look forward to enlightened debates :d

Just to be clear here, im a spiritual athiest.

After a long religious/spiritual journey, reading books, listening to audio and feeling an unfulfilled space within me, that was finally answered, there is not doubt in my mind that Jesus spend many decades living and preaching in India.

Not only that but as many others have learned themselves, the modern new testament (particularly the gospel of Matthew), had been apparently written by the disciple but over the centuries been rewritten many times to suit the needs of the church.

Jesus's missing years from when he was about 12 years til about 30, is omitted apart from a single sentence in Luke, that millions (including me) accepted without question but today many now wonder: WHY?
There is enough evidence, ranging from physical objects to stories, that prove to openminded people and challenge strict doctrine-led people, that jesus travelled to india via the silk road arrived in Srinagar (a beautiful area of war torn kashmir and is also challenged to be the true 'milk and honey' which moses led the jews to). and actually, jesus said he wanted to unite 'the lost tribes' going as far as india to do so; would this not highlight something important here?
He trained under hindu and buddhist leaders and practiced various arts of healing from nepal down to Orissa in south-east india (where st. thomas is buried to this day). this would support his feelings towards acceptance of most of the world religions. In the hemis monestary in ladakh, nepal, there is a whole archive of information about his life and even a colour portrait which shows a man that is definitely not local and the monks confirm it to be painted 2000 years ago. wouldnt it be great for millions of loyal followers to actually have a good look of this extraordinary man?

He then travelled back to his hometown and the bible continues from there...

And there is lots of evidence to clearly show that jesus do not die on the cross and india as well as other writers will stand by this fact. a person crucified can hang for days but jesus died within 6 or 9 hours, which surprised many and he would not have been the first person to get whipped. what is important to point out and the colour portrait shows this; because jesus travelled on foot a lot, taking on the outdoor elements, he was a strong and sturdy man. his legs were not broken like the 2 criminals next to him and so this allowed him to continue a v v slow rate of breathing, as through his extensive studies would have permitted him to go into a deep state of 'near-death'.

when he appeared to his disciples and said he was hungry; not possible - a resurrected body has no need to eat; ask any expert in this field. he left with his mother, brother thomas (who later died in orissa) and close friend and scribe juda (he was not the betrayer), do the research and youll find that there was another juda (son of the one priest), whose name got switched in order to trick the people.

Mary died in a town named after her in Pakistan - Murree and a man in afghanistan will support this as he insists he has been to her tomb many times. her tomb today is surrounded by a miltary fence. jesus continued on and settled in familiar srinagar where he married and had several children. some say that his tomb is not in srinigar (the tomb of yus asaf) but Aziz Kashmiri will swear on any pile of religious book you give him, that this is jesus' final resting place. locals argue this fact and that having jesus buried here would be an insult to the quran. well the positioning of the building does not support them.

for those of u who 'see', welcome to the light.

The Urantia Book details Jesus complete life. Jesus joined a travelling merchant from India as a guide, interpreter, and teacher for the Indian merchant's son. Jesus and the merchant's son talked quite a bit. The young son learned a great deal from Jesus and took those teachings back to India where he was able to have some influence on those of the time but the teachings faded away after he was gone.
 

cbachinger

Peace in wisdom
signpost it? dont forget this was 33AD (for u) and 129 AD (for truth seekers); there were no cameras and no videos (and we enjoy visual proof). only writtings and a couple of portraits...found in indian monestaries.

I believe i did mention hemis in ladakh; watch 'jesus in india' (its free to download and there is also a beautifully written book that goes into greater spiritual detail that the movie was inspired from), website of the hemis monestary in Ladakh (i unfortunately cant post websites yet until i get 15 posts but google 'hemis and jesus') - i hope to go there 1 day!
Nicolas Notovitch - The unknown life of jesus (translated from the hemis scrolls.
Aziz kashmiri - christ in Kashmir (mentioned already)

Even if i could show a picture of the scrolls (they show up in the film), the original language is in Pali, which jesus mastered in and the hemis monestary's translated copy is in Tibetan. Because the dalia lama is still in exile, the lamas are not allowed to open up the archives.

I ask you in return, can you show proof of jesus having lived in Israel? the only sketchy info i heard from a non religious friend of mine, is that a parchment dating back to the Crucifixion, makes a vague reference to some 'criminal receiving 30 lashes and then crucified for his crimes'.

There is also no known historical evidence about what jesus did or where he went according to the bible, only stories that was written about and enforced by the leaders of the time and later the church. if there is, it never surfaced during my religious education classes in any form.

it is indeed a remarkable claim isnt it ;) what i also find remarkable is that we know so little about the most famous person in the world and yet a multimillion business is made from it. I was actually so happy when i was able to finally piece together jesus's life as a whole.
 

cyberman

New Member
I ask you in return, can you show proof of jesus having lived in Israel?

I see. So, I ask you to provide evidence of a claim you have made. So you ask me to provide evidence of a claim I have not made. Yeah, that makes sense. >rolls eyes<

As for your answer more generally, you have simply stated your sources. You need to demonstrate how the evidence proves that Jesus went to Srinagar, not simply mention sources which assert it. You did make the claim that there was proof - so far all you have provided is assertions. Which of the sources you have mentioned proves that Jesus was there?

(I am assuming you know what 'prove' means...?)
 

cbachinger

Peace in wisdom
soooo...we agree at least that there is a connection to India. So how would many people in india insist that jesus was there; both regular citizens and religious leaders? the tomb in srinagar is not positioned facing east, if it was originally an islamic tomb.

This new book you mention interests me; the author appears to not to want to be known...ok...what/where sources did the info come from?
 

cbachinger

Peace in wisdom
i simply asked u in return because im inquisitive as to how there is little to no proof within the new testament and yet most people accept it.

i did indeed give you sources and the proof is in the writtings in the monestaries scrolls (as i had said). the viceroy of india in 1939, Lord irwin and also sir francis younghusband who wrote the book 'kashmir', both have made tribute at the tomb where jesus is buried. folklores and stories carried on by word of mouth, saying jesus was preaching here. The first prime minister of india stating that he believed jesus had been there.

There was a sign on the meenakshi temple, before it was torn down during the religious uprisings stating that 'usaf saf' (the name he gave himself in that area) was among us...and i dont mean amonsg us in the heart. The chief abbot there insisted that writting as well as culture knowledge preserve the fact that jesus was here.

in the ancient jagannath temple, the shankaracharya, the hindi leader also insisted that not only did jesus study here and would have studied under the shankaracharya at that time but also that many western minds are aware of it but will refuse it as it collides with their own beliefs.

I take it u are familiar to the Akashic Records? Levi downings, a union army priest claimed to have accessed it during deep meditation and wrote his book The 'aquarian gospel of jesus'. the places he speaks of where jesus went to, such as Leh, Ladhak, Orissa, Srinagar, puri and cuttack are all confirmed by locals that know from generations of spoken word and writtings that jesus walked amongst them.

To get to india, one historical fact says, he was taken to study in Orissa and varanasi as a student by his sponsor Prince Ravanna and he studied there for 6 years, including cataract eye surgery, using obsidian blades.

the quran describes a place with 'a lofty ground, with meadows and springs', which matched Kashmir perfectly as being the final resting place of jesus.
 

cbachinger

Peace in wisdom
THAT is a pointless debate...if jesus did exist.

and no point for sarcasm please Jayhawker Soule...'signpost'? surely simpler to say 'post'
 

Starsurfer93

Soul-Searcher
This topic reminds me of a few documentaries I've watched concerning the life and teachings of Jesus. I'm not sure if people would consider them "proof" per se, but they present many intereting theories and back them up with what appears to be reasonable evidence, including the "Jesus spent time in India" theory. Check them out if you're interested! :)

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Jesus was a Buddhist Monk BBC Documentary - YouTube

(Don't mind the Title. That's just what the poster decided to put. The Real Name of the Documentary is "Did Jesus Die?")

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Jesus in India - Beyond Belief Documentary - YouTube

Namaste :namaste
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Jesus's missing years from when he was about 12 years til about 30, is omitted apart from a single sentence in Luke, that millions (including me) accepted without question but today many now wonder: WHY?


No because he is said to be a Galilean. Son of a man who lived a life below that of a common pesant

a tekton, or handworker who did odds jobs before traveling around teaching and healing for diner scraps as a method of survival, not one of spreading theology has a greater possibility then your laughable explanation.


jesus was a broke person teaching of the coming kingdom of god but was heavily influenced by the zealots which for the most part, were who the majority of jews in Galilee belonged to.

jesus died for starting a stink in the temple over money due to the corrupt jewish governement and the roman infection within the temple who were making large amounts of cash from the already broken oppressed jews who lived in extreme poverty. he was put to death for his martyrdom over money issues.



the gospels were written by unknown roman authors decades after his life was over based on jewish legends, they wrote in mythology and thi smythology has nothing to do with your OP
 

outhouse

Atheistically
soooo...we agree at least that there is a connection to India. So how would many people in india insist that jesus was there; both regular citizens and religious leaders? the tomb in srinagar is not positioned facing east, if it was originally an islamic tomb.

This new book you mention interests me; the author appears to not to want to be known...ok...what/where sources did the info come from?


there is no connection to India other then imagination.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
I tend to think Jesus spent time during his lost years in the Himalayan area. My reasons come from several sources; one I particualrly respect. I will endeavor to find the source and statements if someone's curious enough to ask. This is not a subject I've studied a great deal though and I would not try with my current knowledge to sway any skeptics.

You're also saying Jesus returned to this area after the resurrection? This I have a lot more trouble believing but I've had to eat my words before on spiritual and paranormal subjects.

Also, I think those that just dismiss the idea as rubbish and nonsense, don't have enough backing to make such strong claims.
 
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George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
I tend to think Jesus spent time during his lost years in the Himalayan area. My reasons come from several sources; one I particualrly respect. I will endeavor to find the source and statements if someone's curious enough to ask. This is not a subject I've studied a great deal though and I would not try with my current knowledge to sway any skeptics.

You're also saying Jesus returned to this area after the resurrection? This I have a lot more trouble believing but I've had to eat my words before on spiritual and paranormal subjects.

Also, I think those that just dismiss the idea as rubbish and nonsense, don't have enough backing to make such strong claims.

Here is a story and miraculous photograph of Jesus as he looked 2,000 years ago. I personally believe this from my trust of the source. It claims Jesus was in India until the age of 27 or 28 before returning to his homeland.

I don't expect the skeptics will be interested or swayed but it is presented as information to those interested in the subject of Jesus and India.

Gallery Of Miracles

The Sai Baba in the story is a highly popular religious figure and swami in South India
 
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cyberman

New Member
i simply asked u in return because im inquisitive as to how there is little to no proof within the new testament and yet most people accept it.

i did indeed give you sources and the proof is in the writtings in the monestaries scrolls (as i had said). the viceroy of india in 1939, Lord irwin and also sir francis younghusband who wrote the book 'kashmir', both have made tribute at the tomb where jesus is buried. folklores and stories carried on by word of mouth, saying jesus was preaching here. The first prime minister of india stating that he believed jesus had been there.

There was a sign on the meenakshi temple, before it was torn down during the religious uprisings stating that 'usaf saf' (the name he gave himself in that area) was among us...and i dont mean amonsg us in the heart. The chief abbot there insisted that writting as well as culture knowledge preserve the fact that jesus was here.

in the ancient jagannath temple, the shankaracharya, the hindi leader also insisted that not only did jesus study here and would have studied under the shankaracharya at that time but also that many western minds are aware of it but will refuse it as it collides with their own beliefs.

I take it u are familiar to the Akashic Records? Levi downings, a union army priest claimed to have accessed it during deep meditation and wrote his book The 'aquarian gospel of jesus'. the places he speaks of where jesus went to, such as Leh, Ladhak, Orissa, Srinagar, puri and cuttack are all confirmed by locals that know from generations of spoken word and writtings that jesus walked amongst them.

To get to india, one historical fact says, he was taken to study in Orissa and varanasi as a student by his sponsor Prince Ravanna and he studied there for 6 years, including cataract eye surgery, using obsidian blades.

the quran describes a place with 'a lofty ground, with meadows and springs', which matched Kashmir perfectly as being the final resting place of jesus.

But none of thiese things are proof that Jesus was in India - they are just proof that lots of people at various times have believed it.
 
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