Jesus in India

[Reverend Rick]

I just have to go there, what's next, Jesus on the moon?

 

[Curious George]

Can't get the full text but:

In the late nineteenth century, a text alleged to be the translation of an ancient Buddhist manuscript referring to an “unknown life of Jesus in India created a heated controversy that continues to this day. This legend is generally ignored by biblical scholars, yet the socio-cultural circumstances that led to the developments of the legend and the rhetorical strategies employed by its proponents provide us with an opportunity to analyze the intersections of various interests and problematics in the field of religion and to re-examine fundamental tenets and presuppositions in the study of Christian origins.

Joseph, S. J. (2012). Jesus in India? Transgressing Social and Religious Boundaries. Journal Of The American Academy Of Religion, 80(1), 161-199.

And was the concept of disciplic succession already in Judaism? Because apostolic succession sounds real similar? (not a rhetorical question- I don't know the answer and am currently entertaining connections)

 

[arthra]

I think there are some people who believe Jesus was in India but I have yet to find anything conclusive.. Nicholai Notovich came up with a Gospel he said was in Pali while at a monastery in Tibet..but no one has actually studied this "Gospel" in the way say of the Nag Hammadi scrolls or the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Ahmaddiyih Muslims believe Jesus was in India because their founder believed it...

That there are similarities in spiritual teachings doesn't mean Jesus gleaned them from India as the spiritual teachings have a spiritual source..

Apollonius of Tyana was supposed to have gone to India but he wasn't Jesus...

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Can't get the full text but:

I've uploaded it here for you, but it's really not worth reading. At least not if one is interested in history.

 

[fantome profane]

I just have to go there, what's next, Jesus on the moon?

Curiosity rover just might find evidence of Jesus on Mars.

 

[paarsurrey]

I think there are some people who believe Jesus was in India but I have yet to find anything conclusive.. Nicholai Notovich came up with a Gospel he said was in Pali while at a monastery in Tibet..but no one has actually studied this "Gospel" in the way say of the Nag Hammadi scrolls or the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Ahmadiyyah Muslims believe Jesus was in India because their founder believed it...

That there are similarities in spiritual teachings doesn't mean Jesus gleaned them from India as the spiritual teachings have a spiritual source..

Apollonius of Tyana was supposed to have gone to India but he wasn't Jesus...

Our founder believed that Jesus died a natural death and was not killed on the Cross on the basis of some thirty verses of Quran; rest is the fruit of human search conducted by his followers.

If one deeply studies the NT Bible, one also gets the same results; he has mentioned such arguments in his book "Jesus in India". Following are the titles of the chapters of his books:


1. CHAPTER 1- (Arguments from Bible)
2. CHAPTER 2
On the evidence of the Holy Quran
and authentic traditions in proof
of Jesus' survival
3. CHAPTER 3
On the evidence derived from
books of medicine
4. CHAPTER 4
Evidence from books of history
SECTION 1
Evidence from Islamic books which contain
a mention of Jesus' journey
SECTION 2
Evidence from books on Buddhism
SECTION 3
On the evidence from books of history
which show that the coming of Jesus to
the Punjab and neighbouring territories was inevitable
ISRAELITISH TRACES

Al Islam - Jesus in India

One may read them and form one's own opinion on the subject independently.

 

[Curious George]

I've uploaded it here for you, but it's really not worth reading. At least not if one is interested in history.

Thank you.

I read the first 8 pages from a view box and it didn't seem to biased even alleging that ascetic tradition was not far removed from Semitic culture at the time. The paper seems to draw parallels between religious ideas and leave questions open. I will probably set up a "4shared" account so that I can download the whole pdf. Thank you.

BTW do you subscribe to a specific Database of Journals? If so which one? It would undoubtedly be more pragmatic than subscribing to the Journal of Academy of Religion since I will not use that Journal much.

 

[cbachinger]

No because he is said to be a Galilean. Son of a man who lived a life below that of a common pesant

a tekton, or handworker who did odds jobs before traveling around teaching and healing for diner scraps as a method of survival, not one of spreading theology has a greater possibility then your laughable explanation.


jesus was a broke person teaching of the coming kingdom of god but was heavily influenced by the zealots which for the most part, were who the majority of jews in Galilee belonged to.

jesus died for starting a stink in the temple over money due to the corrupt jewish governement and the roman infection within the temple who were making large amounts of cash from the already broken oppressed jews who lived in extreme poverty. he was put to death for his martyrdom over money issues.



the gospels were written by unknown roman authors decades after his life was over based on jewish legends, they wrote in mythology and thi smythology has nothing to do with your OP

And ure telling me that my knowledge and information of jesus's (actually his name is Jmmanuel) missing years is laughable? i cant believe that you describe his life as low as you do; not even the bible would describe it as you do i take it you know that u slander christianity by saying that he got killed over money issues - besides that is only a piece of the pie.

Him being a Galilean makes no difference and recent research into ancient records show fair evidence, that not only was he a carpenter (the bible states it) but had his own business. and so joseph wasnt lower than a 'low life peasant'!

With romans writing the gospels, i dont see why or why not but one of my issues with them, is that it took 40 years for them to be written about the most famous person in history, again according to the bible.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Jmannuel?

Uh-oh...

 

[cbachinger]

No because he is said to be a Galilean. Son of a man who lived a life below that of a common pesant

a tekton, or handworker who did odds jobs before traveling around teaching and healing for diner scraps as a method of survival, not one of spreading theology has a greater possibility then your laughable explanation.


jesus was a broke person teaching of the coming kingdom of god but was heavily influenced by the zealots which for the most part, were who the majority of jews in Galilee belonged to.

jesus died for starting a stink in the temple over money due to the corrupt jewish governement and the roman infection within the temple who were making large amounts of cash from the already broken oppressed jews who lived in extreme poverty. he was put to death for his martyrdom over money issues.



the gospels were written by unknown roman authors decades after his life was over based on jewish legends, they wrote in mythology and thi smythology has nothing to do with your OP

There is no proof as yet, but there is a good body of evidence - about as much to support the "Jesus in India" hypothesis as Jesus' general historicity.

What I'd like to see is DNA testing of the body in the Rozabal, and the body in Muree.

If we see that the man in the Rozabal is the son of the woman in Muree, and that they were genetically Jewish and lived 2000~ years ago... that would be compelling evidence - certainly closer to proof than anything else we have on Jesus' life.

I would like that more than any other truth seeker however the controlling local religious authorities will refuse, as the whole subject goes against their quran and all what they stand for and when the DNA testing DOES prove positive to what you say, it will shatter the foundations of the world's major religions and control and this is precisely what the leaders do not want to happen.

Like our fear is our downfall, so would their fear be their downfall.

 

[cbachinger]

there is no connection to India other then imagination.

I gather you have researched your statement as i did mine - do explain.

 

[Jainarayan]

(actually his name is Jmmanuel)

Actually it was Yehoshua, the Hebrew version of Joshua. Emmanuel was an epithet that means "God is with us".

 

[cbachinger]

... because when it comes to anything close to credible evidence you are completely bankrupt.

What other more credible evidence do you want from me to substantially prove my claim Jayhawker Soule? unless you somehow persuade the indian government to further persuade (or rather force) the local srinagar authorities to do a DNA testing on the body and his mother in Murree, Pakistan for matching, you may never get more tangible evidence than what the hemis scrolls have to offer. and until the dalia lama returns, that will also be a while

 

[cbachinger]

I tend to think Jesus spent time during his lost years in the Himalayan area. My reasons come from several sources; one I particualrly respect. I will endeavor to find the source and statements if someone's curious enough to ask. This is not a subject I've studied a great deal though and I would not try with my current knowledge to sway any skeptics.

You're also saying Jesus returned to this area after the resurrection? This I have a lot more trouble believing but I've had to eat my words before on spiritual and paranormal subjects.

Also, I think those that just dismiss the idea as rubbish and nonsense, don't have enough backing to make such strong claims.

I admit i also havent spent years on the subject however i also came across very convincing works that have the evidence that cannot be ignored so easily - and when i read it, my independant intuitive incognition, which is also based on confidence, confirms it as self-evident.

Please share your sources

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What other more credible evidence do you want from me to substantially prove my claim Jayhawker Soule?

'Other more credible evidence' suggests that 'some credible evidence' has been offered, which is a joke.

 

[cbachinger]

Here is a story and miraculous photograph of Jesus as he looked 2,000 years ago. I personally believe this from my trust of the source. It claims Jesus was in India until the age of 27 or 28 before returning to his homeland.

I don't expect the skeptics will be interested or swayed but it is presented as information to those interested in the subject of Jesus and India.

The Sai Baba in the story is a highly popular religious figure and swami in South India

I have also seen different versions of Jmmanuel (his proper name as ancient records state) and this one is also familiar to me.

here is a description of who i personally and firmly believe to be him, based on a colour portrait locked away in the Hemis Monestary in Ladakh and credits to Mr. Edward Martin from his book 'king of travellers', for supplying us with this information: Quote 'It showed a very robust-looking man with a full head of fairly long hair and a full beard! The hair and beard were of a reddish-brown colour, the man was smiling and wearing a brimless simple cap on his head, similar to the kind of cap that Nehru somtimes wore. He was wearing the traditional baggy pants and shirt of the region and a warm looking vest. He looked strong and had the appearance of a man frequently outdoors. He seemed to be perhaps in his mid-to-late twenties' Unquote. The monk was asked who this was and he replied something like, Quote 'Yashosh, travelling Hebrew scholar and holy man who visited this region durin gthe time of about 2000 years ago' Unquote.
And nowhere else have i read such a detailed description of him! :d

Yes, it doesnt say jesus or Jmmanuel however, where ever he went, he changed his name for security reasons or because he knew for the situation in his life at the time, it was necessary.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true.

Jmannuel is a mangling of Immanuel or Emmanuel which JaiNarayan correctly stated to be an epithet. Worse, the mangling was performed by an alien revelation cult.

JaiNarayan also correctly stated that the actual name was Yeshua.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yes, it doesnt say jesus or Jmmanuel however, where ever he went, he changed his name for security reasons ...

:biglaugh:

! ignore list ! ​

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

! much better !​

 

[cbachinger]

But none of thiese things are proof that Jesus was in India - they are just proof that lots of people at various times have believed it.

your answer is puzzling...proof and believing are too different things. and i dont like to believe in such significant events in history, particularly this one! i prefer to go beyond that because i know the truth is out there in someones hand. as with all things in life, there will always be facts :d

and these testemonials are not coming from people living down the road; they are coming from respected and in some cases enlightened men who have studied this side of religion, more than the average man has.

The hindu leader himself insists. as a matter of fact, he never gives interviews but when the research team mentioned that their mission is to investigate proof about Jesus having positively lived in india, he granted such an interview and revealed mind boggling facts in detail - it was actually called a historic interview by Mr. Martin.

I say again what i said in an earlier post, the most convincing (and materialistic) evidence that we can get, is to retrieve DNA from the body in the Rozabal tomb, which (in my opinion) the local islamic leaders are afraid to allow and so will refuse it.