Jesus in India

[cbachinger]

Actually, it would be no such thing, and the fact that you believe otherwise demonstrates remarkably flawed thinking.

History has proved that where there was an impossibility, later turned out to be a possibility.

 

[cbachinger]

Why don't they perform the DNA test; to resolve the controversy?

Heresy fears.

 

[fantome profane]

Yes, it doesnt say jesus or Jmmanuel however, where ever he went, he changed his name for security reasons or because he knew for the situation in his life at the time, it was necessary.

Also Jesus invented the first unlisted phone number.

And sadly he could no longer wear his favourite button that said "I'm the son of God, ask me how"

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Also Jesus invented the first unlisted phone number.

And sadly he could no longer where his favourite button that said "I'm the son of God, ask me how"

Heh. Reminded me of Saul WIlliams:

We remain in the darkness unseen
In the center of unpeeled bananas we exist uncolored by perception
Clothed to the naked eye
Five senses cannot sense the fact of our existence

And that's the only fact
In fact there are no facts, fax me a fact and I'll telegram
I'll hologram I'll telephone the son of man and tell him he is done
Leave a message on his answering machine

Telling him there are none
God and I are one

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

I would tend to agree. The "Jesus in India" theories are nothing but speculation on the part of certain wide-eyed Orientalists, or crackpot Hindu nationalists.

Im not a crackpot, but do consider myself as somewhat of a Hindu Nationalist. And I would say that "Jesus in India", is speculation of crackpot Christian missionaries. If Jesus came to India, he would have been converted to Hinduism and never left the country.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Huh, I never knew I was a wide-eyed orientalist. Thanks man.

 

[arthra]

I've yet to hear any "Christian missionaries" claim that Jesus made it to India...

The Gospels seem to be rather clear that Jesus expired on the cross and was martyred..

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

(King James Bible, Luke 23:46 )

I think it's most likely and probable that He died physically from the abuse and horror inflicted on His Person.

To suggest that He made it all the way to Srinagar after having His side pierced with a lance

But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

(King James Bible, John 19:33-34 )


and enduring the bones in His wrists and ankles crushed

is well the least likely scenario...

 

[cbachinger]

Jmannuel?

Uh-oh...

Yes. Why?

 

[cbachinger]

Actually it was Yehoshua, the Hebrew version of Joshua. Emmanuel was an epithet that means "God is with us".

As i had also said, when mentioning 'Jmmanuel', he changed his name as he went through life: Jmmanuel when he was preaching in Palestine, Issa, Yashosh and Usa Saf while in India, amongst others.

Jesus Christ means (the anointed one) and was invented by the church. I would go into another point on this but it goes away from the focus of this debate.

 

[cbachinger]

'Other more credible evidence' suggests that 'some credible evidence' has been offered, which is a joke.

I presume that i cannot persuade you to watch the 1 1/2 hour movie 'Jesus in India', inspired from 'king of travellers', by Edward Martin?
Alot of the evidence i presented to you, comes from this movie.
There is also as stated 'Christ in Kashmir; written by Aziz Kashmiri, who has dedicated and insisted his whole life, that Jmmanuel lived and is buried in Srinagar, through decades of research and questioning from local writtings to stories.

u remind me of those among us who will see fair evidence of a subject but your unreasonableness will insist on seeing more and more until the source/s are sucked bone dry and you may perhaps even still not accept, as you wanted to see how far the person can go, as well as yourself

 

[cbachinger]

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true.

Jmannuel is a mangling of Immanuel or Emmanuel which JaiNarayan correctly stated to be an epithet. Worse, the mangling was performed by an alien revelation cult.

JaiNarayan also correctly stated that the actual name was Yeshua.

as you said, its an epithet name. he changes his name as he went along. HE had a very differen life to us, half the time escaping persecuting people and each name I believe also had a meaning that suited his purpose at the time; Yusa saf (leader of the cleansed).

Yeshua, is the name used in the movie 'Passion of the Christ' if im not mistaken.

An alien revelation cult? do explain. you mean after he died?

 

[cbachinger]

I would tend to agree. The "Jesus in India" theories are nothing but speculation on the part of certain wide-eyed Orientalists, or crackpot Hindu nationalists.

Well, hindu nationalists wouldnt allow christianity in india to begin with; Jmmanuel didnt start christianity as he was studying hinduism anyway. He didnt support any religion, as he was studying for the good in all of hinduism and buddhism.

Have you watched the movie?

 

[cbachinger]

If Jesus came to India, he would have been converted to Hinduism and never left the country.

he learnt hinduism to learn about goodness, love , compassion, ethics, Hindu art of healing, including cataract surgery, forms of Sanskrit (original teachings of Creation) and the Achar Samhita – The Code of Conduct, amongst others.

Why would he go all the way to india to convert to hinduism? that wasnt his mission; he went for purely scholarly purposes.

 

[paarsurrey]

What other more credible evidence do you want from me to substantially prove my claim Jayhawker Soule? unless you somehow persuade the indian government to further persuade (or rather force) the local srinagar authorities to do a DNA testing on the body and his mother in Murree, Pakistan for matching, you may never get more tangible evidence than what the hemis scrolls have to offer. and until the dalia lama returns, that will also be a while

I wish the DNA testing happens at the earliest.

 

[cbachinger]

I've yet to hear any "Christian missionaries" claim that Jesus made it to India...

The Gospels seem to be rather clear that Jesus expired on the cross and was martyred..

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

(King James Bible, Luke 23:46 )

I think it's most likely and probable that He died physically from the abuse and horror inflicted on His Person.

To suggest that He made it all the way to Srinagar after having His side pierced with a lance

But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

(King James Bible, John 19:33-34 )

would you think any christian missionary, whose faith is built on the belief that he died on the cross, would consider saying that?

The gospels are foggy on the most relevant information on jesus: the missing years, not all the gospels end the same way.

he was whipped and crucified yes but many criminals were reported to have survived the same chastice (whipped) treatment and for days on the cross, without their legs being broken and Jmmanuel's legs were not broken as every person on earth knows.

Not to also forget, his description in india, showed him to be a strong, healthy, outdoorsy person, who had learnt to master yogi disciplines, that would have enabled him to settle into a 'near-death' state.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I wish the DNA testing happens at the earliest.

Given that there is absolutely no reason to doubt that the Jewish diaspora extended to India, what do you think such testing would prove?

 

[Jainarayan]

I would tend to agree. The "Jesus in India" theories are nothing but speculation on the part of certain wide-eyed Orientalists, or crackpot Hindu nationalists.

Im not a crackpot, but do consider myself as somewhat of a Hindu Nationalist. And I would say that "Jesus in India", is speculation of crackpot Christian missionaries. If Jesus came to India, he would have been converted to Hinduism and never left the country.

I'm not a crackpot either, nor a Hindu nationalist. I'm not even Indian. But as I said before, there is no proof or disproof of the possibility of Jesus having some kind of contact with the east. There are too many similarities between eastern thought and Jesus's true core teachings to be coincidence. A lot of philosophy and religion has made its way between east and west over the milennia. Why some aspects of Jesus's teachings should not be influenced by other sources is not implausible.

Huh, I never knew I was a wide-eyed orientalist. Thanks man.

Well, now you know. And from a reliable internet source, no less!

 

[cbachinger]

Given that there is absolutely no reason to doubt that the Jewish diaspora extended to India, what do you think such testing would prove?

the focus of this topic: that jesus surviced the crucifixion, later lived and died in india.

 

[cbachinger]

I'm not a crackpot either, nor a Hindu nationalist. I'm not even Indian. But as I said before, there is no proof or disproof of the possibility of Jesus having some kind of contact with the east. There are too many similarities between eastern thought and Jesus's true core teachings to be coincidence. A lot of philosophy and religion has made its way between east and west over the milennia. Why some aspects of Jesus's teachings should not be influenced by other sources is not implausible.

the focus here is on Jmmanuel actually being in india and having studied there.

'Evidence is a fact or situation that suggests something might be true and sometimes more than one evidence can add up to proof': the testimonials of spiritual leaders throughout india acknowledging that Jmmanuel has passed through the area and had studied various religious subjects.

the buddhist monks have in the past confirmed that Jmmanuel studied with them.

'Proof is a fact or situation that removes all doubt': retrieving DNA from the body in Srinagar would be the ultimate proof and would indeed put a lot of controversary to rest. something tells me, that publicly showing the colour portrait (with the caption) in the hemis monestary and the scrolls wouldnt be enough

 

[Jainarayan]

the focus here is on Jmmanuel actually being in india and having studied there.

'Evidence is a fact or situation that suggests something might be true and sometimes more than one evidence can add up to proof': the testimonials of spiritual leaders throughout india acknowledging that Jmmanuel has passed through the area and had studied various religious subjects.

the buddhist monks have in the past confirmed that Jmmanuel studied with them.

'Proof is a fact or situation that removes all doubt': retrieving DNA from the body in Srinagar would be the ultimate proof and would indeed put a lot of controversary to rest. something tells me, that publicly showing the colour portrait (with the caption) in the hemis monestary and the scrolls wouldnt be enough

I don't deny or disbelieve he could have lived and studied there. Remember, I conjectured an accounting of the 18 years, including travel time. But what is the bona-fide proof? What would the DNA be compared to? I have to agree that with the Jewish diaspora being as extensive as it is, what would finding Jewish DNA in India prove? I'd bet you'll find Jewish DNA in Iraq from those Jews who did not leave Babylonia after the captivity. Where are the scrolls and documents? Do we have images of them? If so can someone translate from their original language? And where is it documented that he referred to himself as Jmmanuel? Having been raised Roman Catholic and practiced Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy for 30 years, this is a new one for me. Hypotheses, theories and beliefs are all well and good, but they need proof.