Jesus in India

[outhouse]

you dont see the research, reasoning and evidence?

there is no reason, or evidence or credible or valid research behind your OP

 

[cbachinger]

the bible is not accurate in any sense.

the real jews had no part in his death. only the Saducees, and pilates and Caiaphas wanting peace to keep raking in the money

anyone startinmg trouble in the treasury would be put to death without a trial.



with up to 400,000 people in attendance at passover, a poor poverty stricken peasant teacher/healer would be invisible in a sea of healers and preachers talking very simular messages. jesus was not unique in any way shape or form.

of course the bible is not accurate; the gospel of matthew has been described as 'a piece of plastic'.

i never stated the jews were against Jmmanuel; they were bribed and stirred up by the teachers of the law (who as you well know were the people against him) simply because their teachings and controlling mechanisms over 'the poor' as you say, were being strongly and defiantly challenged by Jmmanuel (the one of godly wisdom), winning over the people because of what he taught and he certainly had immense knowledge for his time because of his mission.
it was all to do with the teachers of the law and in modern terms, with the church.

and he had a trial as well; i cannot see it happening that the romans grab him off the street and send him straight to be whipped! the governor would go mad, considering Jmmanuel's social status.

ur last paragraph is amazing

ill ask the question again but in a different way: didnt you go to religious classes as a youth?

 

[paarsurrey]

Let's review the evidence:

1. Nicolas Notovitch's "The Life of Issa." which he claimed to have copied from a manuscript in Hemis monastery. This claim has been alternately refuted or verified by subsequent investigators.

2. The Bhavishya Mahapurana's account of King Shalivahana:


3. Acta Thomae, which records this:



Thomas was called as Didymus, meaning twin, for his very close resemblance to Jesus.


4. The shrine at Rozabal and the physical evidence there - ie, the carving of feet with crucifixion wounds, and the local legends regarding Jesus there.


5. The account of crucifixion discovered in Alexandria, and hosted here: Full text of "The crucifixion, by an eye-witness; a letter, written seven years after the crucifixion"

This has Jesus being tended to and medically revived in Joseph's tomb.

5. Muslim histories of San Isa / Yuz Asaf of which there are several.

6. Chinese Account of Yesu in the "Glass Mirror" which mentions his philosophy in Asia.

Tomb of Jesus website is a good resource.

I think there is enough evidence, like mentioned above, to research that Jesus did not die on the cross and he came to India and lived among the Hindus and Buddhists of his time.

 

[cbachinger]

there is no reason, or evidence or credible or valid research behind your OP

Considering all that i have presented with reasonable, suitable and available explanations, including my growth in support, explain to me why not?

 

[cbachinger]

Shuddhasattva[/b];3038904]

Let's review the evidence:

1. Nicolas Notovitch's "The Life of Issa." which he claimed to have copied from a manuscript in Hemis monastery. This claim has been alternately refuted or verified by subsequent investigators.

2. The Bhavishya Mahapurana's account of King Shalivahana:


3. Acta Thomae, which records this:



Thomas was called as Didymus, meaning twin, for his very close resemblance to Jesus.


4. The shrine at Rozabal and the physical evidence there - ie, the carving of feet with crucifixion wounds, and the local legends regarding Jesus there.


5. The account of crucifixion discovered in Alexandria, and hosted here: Full text of "The crucifixion, by an eye-witness; a letter, written seven years after the crucifixion"

This has Jesus being tended to and medically revived in Joseph's tomb.

5. Muslim histories of San Isa / Yuz Asaf of which there are several.

6. Chinese Account of Yesu in the "Glass Mirror" which mentions his philosophy in Asia.

Tomb of Jesus website is a good resource.

I think there is enough evidence, like mentioned above, to research that Jesus did not die on the cross and he came to India and lived among the Hindus and Buddhists of his time.

Make that 2 The Bhavishya Mahapurana's account of King Shalivahana account, is another story that i had missed out but thank you Shuddhasattva for bringing that up

i stand by my own 'knowing' that the bodies in both Srinagar and Murree will inevitably prove who they really are.

For me, knowing what happened in the life of Jmmanuel and his travels, positively put on a smile on my face :d

 

[Shuddhasattva]

"Jmannuel" is not... a name. Please... let that one go. Where did you pick up that spelling from?

 

[outhouse]

of course the bible is not accurate; the gospel of matthew has been described as 'a piece of plastic'.

i never stated the jews were against Jmmanuel; they were bribed and stirred up by the teachers of the law (who as you well know were the people against him) simply because their teachings and controlling mechanisms over 'the poor' as you say, were being strongly and defiantly challenged by Jmmanuel (the one of godly wisdom), winning over the people because of what he taught and he certainly had immense knowledge for his time because of his mission.
it was all to do with the teachers of the law and in modern terms, with the church.

and he had a trial as well; i cannot see it happening that the romans grab him off the street and send him straight to be whipped! the governor would go mad, considering Jmmanuel's social status.

ur last paragraph is amazing

ill ask the question again but in a different way: didnt you go to religious classes as a youth?

first of you should know that biblical jesus is not the real historical jesus.

biblcal jesus has alot of mythology added to the real man. All written decades after his death by people who did not ever know him, hear him, see him, or even live in the same area, and we for the most part, not even of the same culture ALL written 30-40 years or later after his death.

 

[outhouse]

Considering all that i have presented with reasonable, suitable and available explanations, including my growth in support, explain to me why not?

facts get in your way.

jesus barely has historicty as a real man, But I will concede I do believe he was a Galilean jew.

the evidence gives us, that there is a probability he existed in Galilee


there is ZERO for India with any credibility or validity what so ever :slap:

 

[cbachinger]

first of you should know that biblical jesus is not the real historical jesus.

biblcal jesus has alot of mythology added to the real man. All written decades after his death by people who did not ever know him, hear him, see him, or even live in the same area, and we for the most part, not even of the same culture ALL written 30-40 years or later after his death.

what i gather from here, is that the church has made a small fortune from both lies and bits of info thrown together over time..? - which i also agree to but wouldnt attach mythology to it.

And who would the real Jesus be then? thats news to me.

 

[cbachinger]

facts get in your way.

jesus barely has historicty as a real man, But I will concede I do believe he was a Galilean jew.

the evidence gives us, that there is a probability he existed in Galilee


there is ZERO for India with any credibility or validity what so ever :slap:

first you believe that he is a galilean and then you say in ur next line that there is the probability of him being a Galilean...???

i take it you havent gone through what i presented when you say there is no credible or valid evidence and not seeing what the local srinagar authorities are afraid to expose, as the tomb's positioning itself does not correspond to islamic belief.

One day, a test tube will be authorised to finally determine the age of the first body (the other body is said to be a muslim saint, which the locals fiercely defend as therefore being a muslim tomb). A pity for all truthseekers

 

[idea]

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Jesus's missing years from when he was about 12 years til about 30, is omitted apart from a single sentence in Luke,

I have read about that, and it is a possibility. As a Mormon, I believe that Jesus also visited the Americas, and believe that he talks with all people. There are many Buddhist and eastern teachings that are very Christian, and it is not hard to see that there might be a common denominator there.

Proverbs 16:32 -He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.
The Dhammapada - One who conquers himself is greater than another who conquers a thousand times a thousand men on the battlefield.

Matthew 10:39 - [H]e that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
The Bhagavad Gita - “Through selfless service, you will always be fruitful and find the fulfillment of your desires”: this is the promise of the Creator.

etc. etc.

jesus do not die on the cross ...

I believe that Jesus' greatest suffering happened in Gethsemane, where he experienced the pains of the world, and sweat drops of blood. This weakened him physically, so that his suffering on the cross was not prolonged.

Mormons also believe that resurrected bodies are physical in nature, That Heavenly Father is a person with flesh and bones, as is Jesus, and use the example of Jesus eating with his disciples after the resurrection as evidence as to the nature of the resurrected body.

 

[Jainarayan]

It wouldn't be proof, but it would be compelling evidence. Why?...

Yep, I'd call that compelling evidence in backing up that narrative. Certainly more compelling than anything else we have on his life.

Oh, yes it's compelling and intriguing, and not implausible... don't misunderstand. But I consider the o.p.'s position to be not unlike those of Ancient Alien proponents and "theorists", or at least the way it's presented, as already foregone fact and conclusion.

 

[Jainarayan]

"Jmannuel" is not... a name. Please... let that one go. Where did you pick up that spelling from?

It's the entry after Jeseuz Christna.

 

[outhouse]

what i gather from here, is that the church has made a small fortune from both lies and bits of info thrown together over time..? - which i also agree to but wouldnt attach mythology to it.

And who would the real Jesus be then? thats news to me.

the church didnt build the mythology.

Paul did, paul did not know jesus, hear jesus, see jesus, and didnt live where jesus did and didnt belong to the same sect of jews

the unknown roman gospel authors are even far more removed from the actual events that give jesus historicity

 

[outhouse]

first you believe that he is a galilean and then you say in ur next line that there is the probability of him being a Galilean...???

i take it you havent gone through what i presented when you say there is no credible or valid evidence and not seeing what the local srinagar authorities are afraid to expose, as the tomb's positioning itself does not correspond to islamic belief.

One day, a test tube will be authorised to finally determine the age of the first body (the other body is said to be a muslim saint, which the locals fiercely defend as therefore being a muslim tomb). A pity for all truthseekers

there is no credible evidence a Galilean jew ever made it to India.

then you need to explain away the death of jesus and why the mythology doesnt match.


All we really know about jesus is this below with certainty, and some will argue that all be it a poor case.


yeshua was a Galilean jew who was baptised by John and was a traveling teacher and healer who preached about the kingdom of god, he ticked of the romans during passover in the treasury/temple and was put to death on a cross.



he was

 

[cbachinger]

"Jmannuel" is not... a name. Please... let that one go. Where did you pick up that spelling from?

From the Talmud Jmmanuel, which i have mentioned earlier, when asked before about this name. This 'prototype' chronicle (which had very unfortunately been destroyed by fire, from a palestinean armed forces attack back in 1965), was clearly and confidently claimed to be the true and original 'gospel of matthew', written by juda, Jmmanuel's close friend and scribe and discovered by Billy Meier and Isa Rashid.

Consult the link, for further information
The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - The Talmud of Jmmanuel

The hoaxs which generate questions, questioning the authenticity, clearly have not read the book.

Again, those who choose to 'see the light' through choice of freewill, will see it

 

[cbachinger]

I have read about that, and it is a possibility. As a Mormon, I believe that Jesus also visited the Americas, and believe that he talks with all people. There are many Buddhist and eastern teachings that are very Christian, and it is not hard to see that there might be a common denominator there.

Proverbs 16:32 -He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.
The Dhammapada - One who conquers himself is greater than another who conquers a thousand times a thousand men on the battlefield.

Matthew 10:39 - [H]e that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
The Bhagavad Gita - “Through selfless service, you will always be fruitful and find the fulfillment of your desires”: this is the promise of the Creator.

etc. etc.




I believe that Jesus' greatest suffering happened in Gethsemane, where he experienced the pains of the world, and sweat drops of blood. This weakened him physically, so that his suffering on the cross was not prolonged.

Mormons also believe that resurrected bodies are physical in nature, That Heavenly Father is a person with flesh and bones, as is Jesus, and use the example of Jesus eating with his disciples after the resurrection as evidence as to the nature of the resurrected body.

I caught a whiff about him being in america but as some have told me here already, i say it now: i havent seen any convincing evidence. And plus back in those days, the world was big enough where people were to begin with. And america was far, far away (in those days) and was only discovered in the 16th century, so i cant see jesus having gone there anyway. he already had enough going on, on his side of the world.

the biblical quotes unfortunately make no sense to me.

the buddhists have said themselves, that christianity does indeed share a common bond between them, in terms of a supreme creator, etc. but christianity came long after buddhism but christianity soon after erroneously created for themselves another 'dalia lama' - the pope, with different ideas, that favoured themselves only...and this is where things went downhill

with respect to the mormon faith, a resurrected body does not require nourishment (because the body would be constantly materialising and dematerialising from physical form into spiritual form) and yet, when he appeared before his disciples, he was hungry and ate with them and learned religious scholars in 'jesus in india' confirm this within their own research.
again, many criminals had been left on the cross in the past for days to suffer, with their legs not broken and Jmmanuel's legs were not broken; the bible, the talmud Jmmanuel and the prophet's continued living journey into India, confirms his survival.
the governor's surprise as well as Joseph of Aramathea that jesus died so quickly; dont forget that Jmmanuel was a strong, healthy and outdoorsy man and well trained in the ancient yogi arts, which even today permits the practitioner to fall into a deep state of near death by even going as far as stopping their own heart beat.

 

[paarsurrey]

the governor's surprise as well as Joseph of Aramathea that jesus died so quickly

I think the above speaks clearly that Jesus did not die on the Cross.

 

[Jainarayan]

I'm on the fence as to whether Jesus died on the cross, but medically, a rapid death is possible. Breaking the legs would hasten death because the condemned would not be able to push himself up to try to breathe. Jesus's legs were not broken because he was probably already dead or near death. Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Citations and bibliography: Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was a docu on The History Channel with a medical team led by a doctor, using an athlete as a stand-in for Jesus. Of course the athlete was monitored closely. After only a few minutes being suspended, he began to show signs of physical trauma... heart rate rising, muscles showing fatigue, difficulty breathing. If memory serves, it was the medical team that stopped the experiment because the man was in so much distress. He himself said it was not pleasant. I tried to find a YT vid of the episode, to no avail. I don't doubt that IF Jesus was crucified, he died rapidly.

 

[paarsurrey]

I'm on the fence as to whether Jesus died on the cross, but medically, a rapid death is possible. Breaking the legs would hasten death because the condemned would not be able to push himself up to try to breathe. Jesus's legs were not broken because he was probably already dead or near death. Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Citations and bibliography: Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was a docu on The History Channel with a medical team led by a doctor, using an athlete as a stand-in for Jesus. Of course the athlete was monitored closely. After only a few minutes being suspended, he began to show signs of physical trauma... heart rate rising, muscles showing fatigue, difficulty breathing. If memory serves, it was the medical team that stopped the experiment because the man was in so much distress. He himself said it was not pleasant. I tried to find a YT vid of the episode, to no avail. I don't doubt that IF Jesus was crucified, he died rapidly.

There have been reported incidents in history where people survived the crucifixion.

Jesus was only on the Cross for a few hours then he was hastened to a tomb for treatment, not for burial, in my opinion.