Jesus in India

[Awoon]

Every country that has a Jesus says he was there.

 

[paarsurrey]

Every country that has a Jesus says he was there.

I don't get you. Please elaborate.

 

[paarsurrey]

Further; Jesus' friends did not perform the rituals of Jesus that are performed for the dead.

No bath was given to Jesus;
No death prayers were held.

They knew that Jesus was alive; so they did not do to Jesus what they would have done to a dead Jesus.

 

[fallingblood]

Further; Jesus' friends did not perform the rituals of Jesus that are performed for the dead.

No bath was given to Jesus;
No death prayers were held.

They knew that Jesus was alive; so they did not do to Jesus what they would have done to a dead Jesus.

How do you know they didn't?

 

[idea]

I caught a whiff about him being in america but as some have told me here already, i say it now: i havent seen any convincing evidence. ....

He came to the Americas, not during his life, but after his death.... only a small limited God would only have dealings with one set of people... I believe in a God who communicates with people all over the world.



other bsheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be cone fold, and one shepherd.(New Testament | John 10:16)


7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?
8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 29:7 - 8)




16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick (scroll), and write upon it, For Judah (the Bible), and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick(scroll), and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become aone in thine hand.(Old Testament | Ezekiel 37:16 - 17)

There is more than one scroll of scriptures, more than one people who have communed with God.

 

[paarsurrey]

How do you know they didn't?

It was an important event; if this would have been done; it would have been mentioned.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

It was an important event; if this would have been done; it would have been mentioned.

Maybe His Disciples were scared to do any of these. maybe the Disciples thought if they approach and show that they are His believers, they could also get killed or put in prison?

 

[fallingblood]

It was an important event; if this would have been done; it would have been mentioned.

Why? His burial, or at least the specifics obviously were not important. What happened in that time between his death, and his resurrection obviously weren't important, as no one recorded anything about them.

 

[SageTree]

Any give me a 1 paragraph TL;DR to catch up here?

 

[cbachinger]

Many people also died shortly after being put on the cross. Just because one could hand on the cross for days, doesn't mean everyone did. And if one had a particularly bad scourging before hand (and we can be sure Jesus did), it is lucky he was even alive to be put on the cross, and it makes sense he didn't survive long at all. And really, it wasn't like he was the only one to ever die after just 6 hours.

And we have no historical account about Pilate and the crucifixion. We have the Biblical story which probably isn't very accurate in this regards. But if we do take it to be literal, Jesus also has a spear thrust into his side. So if he wasn't dead before, he was surely dead now.


And we don't know how he looked, his physical composition, or any of that. To state such is just making things up.

of course its very true that not everyone survived a crucifixtion; not all people are in the same physical condition - some are weaker and less able than others. Jmmanuel on the other hand WAS strong, healthy, WELL travelled and his own spiritual status gave him the ability to withstand the ordeal. You say he didnt have what it took to survive; he learned an incredible amount of spiritual knowledge in india as well as having learnt even further and powerful knowledge about the power of the spirit when he was further trained by the celestial sons. mastering such skills as knowledge can empower one to do anything and in the TJ, he teaches and proves it time and time again; people simply doubt themselves too much and this is why many do not succeed.

i also dont particularly trust the bible too much, though parts of it are true, according to similarities in the TJ. When he was stabbed by the spear and water/blood came out, yes this signifies either death or near-death. although the soldier said he was dead, everyone else was puzzled because he wasnt on the cross for so long and again his legs were not broken, thus allowing him to remain in a controlled near-death state.

The power of his spirit through understanding its unlimited abilities allowed him to survive the ordeal...and if one reads the TJ and books about his learning in india, one can see his ability to do so.

An excert from the TJ, (remember that Judas Ischariot; Jmmanuel's trusted friend, wrote this), which supports his training in india and with the celestial sons after he was baptised:

TJ:29:22:
QUOTE, "...I have added to my knowledge in this incarnation by gaining great cognition and learning true wisdom, which was impoarted to me by his teachers over a period of 40 days and 40 nights. Furthermore, I have travelled extensively to faraway palces and lived for many years in the land of India. There I was taught much knowledge and many secrets by the great wise and knowledgeable men who are known as masters. When I have fulfilled my mission here, I will return there with Thomas, my brother, who is a faithful disciple of mine." UNQUOTE

 

[Barrackubus]

If you go to google and google jesus in india, you will find alot of writings from the indian people and the fact that they understand that the man known as your christ was in their company. Probably thats were he retired to.after the alleged ressurection..

 

[Pegg]

The Urantia Book details Jesus complete life. Jesus joined a travelling merchant from India as a guide, interpreter, and teacher for the Indian merchant's son. Jesus and the merchant's son talked quite a bit. The young son learned a great deal from Jesus and took those teachings back to India where he was able to have some influence on those of the time but the teachings faded away after he was gone.

Jesus was a common name back at that time....perhaps the Jesus he spent time with was not the same Jesus who became the Christ.

 

[fallingblood]

If you go to google and google jesus in india, you will find alot of writings from the indian people and the fact that they understand that the man known as your christ was in their company. Probably thats were he retired to.after the alleged ressurection..

There's actually not much writing that is of any relevance as it simply is written too far removed. Not to mention much of it can't actually be found (as in the supposed manuscripts can't be found for whatever reason, and thus can't be confirmed).

If one Google's Jesus in Britain, one can also find dozens of various links as well that claim he was actually there. Just because one can Google it doesn't mean it is true.

 

[fallingblood]

of course its very true that not everyone survived a crucifixtion; not all people are in the same physical condition - some are weaker and less able than others. Jmmanuel on the other hand WAS strong, healthy, WELL travelled and his own spiritual status gave him the ability to withstand the ordeal. You say he didnt have what it took to survive; he learned an incredible amount of spiritual knowledge in india as well as having learnt even further and powerful knowledge about the power of the spirit when he was further trained by the celestial sons. mastering such skills as knowledge can empower one to do anything and in the TJ, he teaches and proves it time and time again; people simply doubt themselves too much and this is why many do not succeed.

i also dont particularly trust the bible too much, though parts of it are true, according to similarities in the TJ. When he was stabbed by the spear and water/blood came out, yes this signifies either death or near-death. although the soldier said he was dead, everyone else was puzzled because he wasnt on the cross for so long and again his legs were not broken, thus allowing him to remain in a controlled near-death state.

The power of his spirit through understanding its unlimited abilities allowed him to survive the ordeal...and if one reads the TJ and books about his learning in india, one can see his ability to do so.

An excert from the TJ, (remember that Judas Ischariot; Jmmanuel's trusted friend, wrote this), which supports his training in india and with the celestial sons after he was baptised:

TJ:29:22:
QUOTE, "...I have added to my knowledge in this incarnation by gaining great cognition and learning true wisdom, which was impoarted to me by his teachers over a period of 40 days and 40 nights. Furthermore, I have travelled extensively to faraway palces and lived for many years in the land of India. There I was taught much knowledge and many secrets by the great wise and knowledgeable men who are known as masters. When I have fulfilled my mission here, I will return there with Thomas, my brother, who is a faithful disciple of mine." UNQUOTE

Everything from TJ can be dismissed by the very fact that it has no historical reliability at all. One might as well be using the Da Vinci Code as actual history.

When your source disagrees with all of our best sources, there is no reason to assume that your source, written extremely late (relatively recently) has any better information when none of it is based on original or reliable manuscripts. So simply, I'm just going to dismiss everything that the TJ states.

Second, you haven't shown that he was in India. You're simply making things up now. Until you can show reliable evidence that he was in India, your claims simply do not need to be taken seriously. Since there is no evidence he was in India (at least credible), and since none of his teachings or the like relied on him traveling to India, but instead resemble what we would expect from a Palestinian Jew, the mere thought that he went to India is wishful thinking.

Finally, as stated many times, it was not unique for someone to die after only a few hours on the cross. What you are not taking into consideration is the fact that he was also savagely beaten before hand, a beating that in fact could and did kill people. Taking that into consideration, it is no wonder that Jesus only lived a few hours on the cross.

The fact that it was so uncommon, and nearly impossible to revive someone after such a horrible experience shows that there is no reason to believe that he survived.

 

[cbachinger]

Jesus was a common name back at that time....perhaps the Jesus he spent time with was not the same Jesus who became the Christ.

now what makes u say that jesus was a common name back then? The TJ states that he never called himself by that name anyway. In fact people would come to him asking "are u not the son of a celestial son born here to teach us knowledge of Creation?"

Come now...perhaps 2 jesus's? its bad enough that he is called jesus 'christ', which is associated with a blood sacrifical cult!

 

[cbachinger]

There's actually not much writing that is of any relevance as it simply is written too far removed. Not to mention much of it can't actually be found (as in the supposed manuscripts can't be found for whatever reason, and thus can't be confirmed).

If one Google's Jesus in Britain, one can also find dozens of various links as well that claim he was actually there. Just because one can Google it doesn't mean it is true.

when you no what to google, you find plenty of information and information which leads to books and videos which give you more precise information and evidence...that is how i found out how Jmmanuel fulfilled the meaning of his own name, 'one with godly knowledge' and through his extensive journeys become 'king of travellers' to both learn and spread the teachings of Creation :d

The british and american links are intriguing. However, ive watched and read a number of videos and books from people directly involved in Jmmanuel's true past and teachings and nothing was mentioned about Britian and america.

in 'the missing years' it would be not possible that he went to britian because he was already spending years of travelling in the east to both learn and teach and many documents and local legends support his journey chronicles.

U may say that he then went to britian and america after his crucifixtion however again in the TJ, he specifically states to PIlate that once he has fulfilled his mission in Israel, he will return to India, with his brother, mother and Juda, to teach and live for the rest of his life.

Britain and america are also never mentioned in the TJ.

 

[cbachinger]

Everything from TJ can be dismissed by the very fact that it has no historical reliability at all. One might as well be using the Da Vinci Code as actual history.

When your source disagrees with all of our best sources, there is no reason to assume that your source, written extremely late (relatively recently) has any better information when none of it is based on original or reliable manuscripts. So simply, I'm just going to dismiss everything that the TJ states.

Second, you haven't shown that he was in India. You're simply making things up now. Until you can show reliable evidence that he was in India, your claims simply do not need to be taken seriously. Since there is no evidence he was in India (at least credible), and since none of his teachings or the like relied on him traveling to India, but instead resemble what we would expect from a Palestinian Jew, the mere thought that he went to India is wishful thinking.

Finally, as stated many times, it was not unique for someone to die after only a few hours on the cross. What you are not taking into consideration is the fact that he was also savagely beaten before hand, a beating that in fact could and did kill people. Taking that into consideration, it is no wonder that Jesus only lived a few hours on the cross.

The fact that it was so uncommon, and nearly impossible to revive someone after such a horrible experience shows that there is no reason to believe that he survived.

ur first statement is totally unfound, with no backup following it. Explain.

And what are your best sources? The bible was written (i learnt recently) by Saul (now st paul) who was an enemy of Jmmanuel...he changed but still had his own thinking after Jmmanuel left and was not faithful to the intial cause. thanks to him and later changes, the bible has become very inconsistent...even the 4 gospels dont say the same things and many passages are either very contradictive to church teachings or make no sense.
Original manuscripts are hidden away, as the pure teachings of Creation do not conform with the teachings of the church. The vatican knows this but will never admit it. and other manuscripts in india and tibet will never be accepted by the church for the same reason however they know about them too. The book of Henoch for example is such a book of the original teachings but because it is not what the church wants you to know, it (amongst other writings) was taken out during the council of Nicea (~328AD i think)
Why do you think pope john paul II went to Orissa, india to st thomas''s tomb? if jesus had died on the cross and was buried in jeruselum, why would st thomas be in orissa?

'Second, you haven't shown that he was in India. You're simply making things up now. ' you clearly havent read my earlier posts...i suggest you do.

'Finally, as stated many times, it was not unique for someone to die after only a few hours on the cross. What you are not taking into consideration is the fact that he was also savagely beaten before hand, a beating that in fact could and did kill people. Taking that into consideration, it is no wonder that Jesus only lived a few hours on the cross.' again you clearly havent read my earlier posts.

 

[paarsurrey]

Maybe His Disciples were scared to do any of these. maybe the Disciples thought if they approach and show that they are His believers, they could also get killed or put in prison?

What need Jesus' friends had to be scared with? If Jesus had told them that he would become alive from the medically and physically dead; Jesus' friends should have not demanded the body of Jesus from Pilate-the Roman official; they should have left Jesus' body in the open where if was lying after crucifixion; so that he gets resurrected before the very eyes of the "adulterous Jews" who had demanded a sign from Jesus and Jesus had promised the same.
Why interfere with the sign of Jesus in the first place?

 

[paarsurrey]

of course its very true that not everyone survived a crucifixtion; not all people are in the same physical condition - some are weaker and less able than others. Jmmanuel on the other hand WAS strong, healthy, WELL travelled and his own spiritual status gave him the ability to withstand the ordeal. You say he didnt have what it took to survive; he learned an incredible amount of spiritual knowledge in india as well as having learnt even further and powerful knowledge about the power of the spirit when he was further trained by the celestial sons. mastering such skills as knowledge can empower one to do anything and in the TJ, he teaches and proves it time and time again; people simply doubt themselves too much and this is why many do not succeed.

i also dont particularly trust the bible too much, though parts of it are true, according to similarities in the TJ. When he was stabbed by the spear and water/blood came out, yes this signifies either death or near-death. although the soldier said he was dead, everyone else was puzzled because he wasnt on the cross for so long and again his legs were not broken, thus allowing him to remain in a controlled near-death state.

The power of his spirit through understanding its unlimited abilities allowed him to survive the ordeal...and if one reads the TJ and books about his learning in india, one can see his ability to do so.

An excert from the TJ, (remember that Judas Ischariot; Jmmanuel's trusted friend, wrote this), which supports his training in india and with the celestial sons after he was baptised:

TJ:29:22:
QUOTE, "...I have added to my knowledge in this incarnation by gaining great cognition and learning true wisdom, which was impoarted to me by his teachers over a period of 40 days and 40 nights. Furthermore, I have travelled extensively to faraway palces and lived for many years in the land of India. There I was taught much knowledge and many secrets by the great wise and knowledgeable men who are known as masters. When I have fulfilled my mission here, I will return there with Thomas, my brother, who is a faithful disciple of mine." UNQUOTE

What is TJ? Please

 

[paarsurrey]

of course its very true that not everyone survived a crucifixtion; not all people are in the same physical condition - some are weaker and less able than others. Jmmanuel on the other hand WAS strong, healthy, WELL travelled and his own spiritual status gave him the ability to withstand the ordeal. You say he didnt have what it took to survive; he learned an incredible amount of spiritual knowledge in india as well as having learnt even further and powerful knowledge about the power of the spirit when he was further trained by the celestial sons. mastering such skills as knowledge can empower one to do anything and in the TJ, he teaches and proves it time and time again; people simply doubt themselves too much and this is why many do not succeed.

i also dont particularly trust the bible too much, though parts of it are true, according to similarities in the TJ. When he was stabbed by the spear and water/blood came out, yes this signifies either death or near-death. although the soldier said he was dead, everyone else was puzzled because he wasnt on the cross for so long and again his legs were not broken, thus allowing him to remain in a controlled near-death state.

The power of his spirit through understanding its unlimited abilities allowed him to survive the ordeal...and if one reads the TJ and books about his learning in india, one can see his ability to do so.

An excert from the TJ, (remember that Judas Ischariot; Jmmanuel's trusted friend, wrote this), which supports his training in india and with the celestial sons after he was baptised:

TJ:29:22:
QUOTE, "...I have added to my knowledge in this incarnation by gaining great cognition and learning true wisdom, which was impoarted to me by his teachers over a period of 40 days and 40 nights. Furthermore, I have travelled extensively to faraway palces and lived for many years in the land of India. There I was taught much knowledge and many secrets by the great wise and knowledgeable men who are known as masters. When I have fulfilled my mission here, I will return there with Thomas, my brother, who is a faithful disciple of mine." UNQUOTE

I agree with you here.