Jesus is a Fictional Character

[Audie]

George Washington was a historical figure, yet only a few decades after his death, stories were being created about him (the cherry tree, tossing a coin across the Potomac, the vision at Valley Forge.) Myth can spring up quickly about a figure who is important to them, usually to teach some kind of moral lesson or ideal characterization of that person.

Do you know the legend of G. Washington's hatchet?

 

[Audie]

We know he wasn't a fictional character. And we have the first hand accounts of his followers.

We have much more recent accounts
from followers of Joseph Smith.
Testimonials, sworn to and signed before God,
that they saw and hefted the gold books.

 

[syo]

Are you ok with Jesus as fictional

I don't care at all.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

We know he wasn't a fictional character. And we have the first hand accounts of his followers.

I've heard Christians say this about his followers before, but I'm not sure how accurate it is. How do we know his followers were telling the truth about Jesus and their encounters with him? As we know, stories about someone famous can be embellished, like King Arthur, for example. I'm not disputing that Jesus was a real person. I'm disputing some of the stories that were told about him.

 

[Wildswanderer]

We have much more recent accounts
from followers of Joseph Smith.
Testimonials, sworn to and signed before God,
that they saw and hefted the gold books.

You are free to believe what you want but at least acknowledge that Jesus existed. It's a historical fact. Thosands of early Christians died refusing to deny him. I wouldn't do that for a myth, would you?

 

[Audie]

You are free to believe what you want but at least acknowledge that Jesus existed. It's a historical fact. Thosands of early Christians died refusing to deny him. I wouldn't do that for a myth, would you?

Nobody by that name existed.

But main point- its one thing to say a person existed, quite another to say he did all the things claimed, starting with the manger bit.

The "jesus" of bible description nevervexisted.

As for the old "die for a lie bit"? Seriously?

FIRST, you totally ignore what i said of j smith and trot out that moldy argument in total irrelevance.

J Smiths books are way better documented than is veracity of anything " Jesus" did.

Lots of people die for lies, sometimes they know,
sometimes they dont.

Mormons and Muslims die for their faith.
So do / have plenty others.

So your die- for is utterly meaningless and withal rather silly.

 

[stvdv]

Are you ok with Jesus as fictional or do you feel a need to insist that Jesus existed as a real person?

I am interested in Wisdom, so history is not important to me. Valuable Teachings however are always welcome

 

[lukethethird]

We know he wasn't a fictional character. And we have the first hand accounts of his followers.

Nobody that wrote about Jesus ever met this Jesus, so the odds are not in your favour. We don't know one way or the other, we have no knowledge, just religious texts written for theological purposes. We have simply been told to believe.

 

[Audie]

I am interested in Wisdom, so history is not important to me. Valuable Teachings however are always welcome

SOME of us understand that its most unwise not to knows what's real.

 

[Audie]

Nobody that wrote about Jesus ever met this Jesus, so the odds are not in your favour. We don't know one way or the other, we have no knowledge, just religious texts written for theological purposes. We have simply been told to believe.

And betimes forced, but nearly always taught as children.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Mormons and Muslims die for their faith.
So do / have plenty others.

What is meant by die for your faith is in the context of those men and women that lived and walked with Jesus Christ when He was on the Earth. They wouldn’t have concocted a huge lie and then died, endured torture and lost everything for that lie.

 

[Audie]

What is meant by die for your faith is in the context of those men and women that lived and walked with Jesus Christ when He was on the Earth. They wouldn’t have concocted a huge lie and then died, endured torture and lost everything for that lie.

The moldy " die for a lie" thing yet again?

Never mind that youve no way of knowing
such people existed or did as you say.
But if they did?
Consider, along with the lillys of the field,
the boys of 911.
Or of HEAVENS GATE cited here lest ye forget.
Heaven's Gate (religious group) - Wikipedia

All died for their faith. Christians dont own it.

 

[stvdv]

SOME of us understand that its most unwise not to knows what's real.

I fully agree. Being Wise means to know what is real

 

[ElishaElijah]

The moldy " die for a lie" thing yet again?

Never mind that youve no way of knowing
such people existed or did as you say.
But if they did?
Consider, along with the lillys of the field,
the boys of 911.
Or of HEAVENS GATE cited here lest ye forget.
Heaven's Gate (religious group) - Wikipedia

All died for their faith. Christians dont own it.

You didn’t understand my post.

 

[Audie]

You didn’t understand my post.

Work on your skills

 

[Wildswanderer]

Nobody by that name existed.

Facepalm! His Jewish name was not Jesus, of course. That's a loose English interpretation.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Nobody that wrote about Jesus ever met this Jesus, so the odds are not in your favour.

Wrong. You just accept a incorrect story about who actually wrote the gospels.

 

[Audie]

Facepalm! His Jewish name was not Jesus, of course. That's a loose English interpretation.

I said, " for a start"
And you rather disingenuously sidestepped the rest of my post

 

[Wildswanderer]

J Smiths books are way better documented than is veracity of anything " Jesus" did.

And obvious fakes of his writings from the angel or whatever it was supposed to be were planted in the ground. I've seen them. Smith was a con man.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I said, " for a start"
And you rather disingenuously sidestepped the rest of my post

It contains no evidence of anything, only your opinion.