Jesus is a Fictional Character

[Clara Tea]

Supposedly the Messiah was going to be a human warrior that punished Israel's enemies. That's not Jesus.

President W. Bush just attacked Iraq and Afghanistan, and made torture camps around the world (including Guantanamo). So, the Religious Right, that put W. Bush in power, did punish enemies of Israel.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Supposedly the Messiah was going to be a human warrior that punished Israel's enemies. That's not Jesus.

Sounds like Revelation 19

 

[Sand Dancer]

Sounds like Revelation 19

Jesus was god though. The Messiah is a purely human character.

 

[Sand Dancer]

President W. Bush just attacked Iraq and Afghanistan, and made torture camps around the world (including Guantanamo). So, the Religious Right, that put W. Bush in power, did punish enemies of Israel.

So, what are you saying?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Jesus was god though. The Messiah is a purely human character.

Jesus is God the Son and will ask you the same question Jesus asked the Pharisee’s about 2000 years ago.
““What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?” They replied, “David’s.” He asked them, “How is it then that David, inspired by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’: The Lord declared to my Lord, ‘Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet’? “If David calls him ‘Lord,’ how, then, can he be his son?””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:42-45‬ ‭CSB‬‬

 

[Audie]

Jesus was god though. The Messiah is a purely human character.

Did jesus say he was god

 

[Sand Dancer]

Did jesus say he was god

Only in John, not the synoptics. I would like to think that he didn't think he was.

 

[lukethethird]

History gets murky as we peer into its depths.

I suppose that we could apply the laws of probability to the issues, much as quantum mechanics derives meaning from random variables.

Religion requires that you believe, so don't be getting any ideas.

 

[lukethethird]

The names were assigned because it was obvious who wrote them.

I went to Bible class too. Try reading some literary scholarship.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I went to Bible class too. Try reading some literary scholarship.

Why? Doesn’t seem to have helped you at all.

 

[lukethethird]

Why? Doesn’t seem to have helped you at all.

I'm not a Christian fundamentalist if that's what you mean.

 

[blü 2]

That would certainly explain aversion to bacon.

When I was getting my degrees in philosophy, we learned that Socrates never wrote anything. But, Plato, his student, wrote most that we know of him.

Not only that, but Plato was a playwright, so whatever Socrates actually said is going to sound better when Plato's written it up, and of course it's no secret that Socrates is given the lead role in some of Plato's later write-ups of his own views.

Comparisons of Bacon's work and Shakespeare's work clearly reveals that Shakespeare copied.

I like the theory that Shakespeare didn't write those plays, another guy with the same name did.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I'm not a Christian fundamentalist if that's what you mean.

Not into labels, seems people are so smart they don’t know anything

 

[lukethethird]

Not into labels, seems people are so smart they don’t know anything

That's right, and I sure don't know of any 1st century history that refers to an historical Jesus and never claimed to.

 

[ElishaElijah]

That's right, and I sure don't know of any 1st century history that refers to an historical Jesus and never claimed to.

I do, maybe go to Israel and check it out. Funny how much people don’t know in 2022. All of the sudden history is gone. Dead Sea scrolls was a good find. Also the Bible.

 

[lukethethird]

I do, maybe go to Israel and check it out

I have been there and checked it out.

 

[kaninchen]

What is meant by die for your faith is in the context of those men and women that lived and walked with Jesus Christ when He was on the Earth. They wouldn’t have concocted a huge lie and then died, endured torture and lost everything for that lie.

Allegedly.

 

[oldbadger]

But if people remembered me as a great
basketball teacher, nothing said about me
would be real.
Which is kind of the point

Well........ you're on here, on this thread.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I don't believe any of the supernatural claims, so none of the rest matters except the words attributed to him, and even then, it wouldn't matter who wrote them. Most of the rest of the story could be historical or the opposite, and it changes nothing if the supernatural parts are fiction.



I do. Just as with the words of Jesus, it doesn't matter whether Socrates was a real person. What matters are the words attributed to him. Somebody wrote them. What if Shakespeare turned out to be a couple of sisters. That would be interesting, but wouldn't make the plays and sonnets any better or worth, no more or less worth reading.



So how about Saturn? He's got a weekday named after him, a solstice holiday, an adjective, a rocket engine, a planet, and a make of automobile. Given all of that influence on culture and your argument, Saturn not existing would also have to be a even greater miracle than his existence.

What’s that about Shakespeare?

 

[oldbadger]

Hi,
That is a valid argument.
To decide we would have to weight the influence that each of these characters exercised on the world scene, should we feel that this is the major criteria for our decision.

It should influence you if billions of people are influenced by this, even if it influences you to get clear....