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Jesus is God?
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UnityNow101
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Because Charles Darwin says so, that's why...
spiritually inclined
Active Member
I cannot conceive of Jesus being God or divine in any literal way. I think too many metaphors and stories have been turned into history in Christianity.
James
UnityNow101
Well-Known Member
Jesus may or may not be God. How can we know? There is no way for us to find out today, therefore we must seek for the truth that can be known. And the only way that I know how to do that is to seek within, as it is said that, "God made man in the image of God." If we were made in the image of God, wouldn't it make sense to look within ourselves to find the Divine that may or may not rest dorment within? Jesus led people to that realization, but it can only be taken up independantly by each individual...You can not rely on anyone else. Once the way has been show, seek to the best of your ability to find what may or may not be the truth..
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Jeremy Mason
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I want your opinion, since you already know mine. If you think it's a sperm and an egg, then who conceived the physical person Jesus? If you believe that God conceived Jesus through Marry, then tell me so.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
God said "BE!" and all that is came into being.
It's the same with Mary and conceiving a child.
God said: "BE!" and Jesus was.
No sperm or egg required, merely the act of God's will.
But this is exactly how the Qur'an explains it, Jeremy. And the Qur'an does not claim that Jesus is the progeny of God--no sperm or "fatherhood" required.
Regards,
Scott
Jeremy Mason
Well-Known Member
Thank you for answering my question Scott.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit. Flesh can not become spirit and spirit can not become flesh:
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
In Adam the spirit of man was breathed in to the flesh and it became a living soul:
Gen 2:7 And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
In Jesus (the last Adam) the flesh was created in the womb using the seed of David:
Luke 1:34 And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.
Joh 7:42 Hath not the scripture said that the Christ cometh of the seed of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
"Joh 7:42 Hath not the scripture said that the Christ cometh of the seed of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?"
Which is why you have dueling Gospels one trying to trace Jesus through Joseph's line of descent and one trying to trace Jesus through Mary's line of descent.
I'm sure you're not implying that Mary conceived Jesus through artificial insemination?
If God could create Jesus as an act of will, then He could create Him using any genetic template He chose or didn't choose, it just is the seed of David because God says it is.
I agree Jesus was a "holy thing [gotta love the KJV]", and calling Him the Son of God as a title is certainly acceptable, thinking He is the actual progeny of God in some way other than created by God is silly.
Regards,
Scott
Which is why you have dueling Gospels one trying to trace Jesus through Joseph's line of descent and one trying to trace Jesus through Mary's line of descent.
I'm sure you're not implying that Mary conceived Jesus through artificial insemination?
If God could create Jesus as an act of will, then He could create Him using any genetic template He chose or didn't choose, it just is the seed of David because God says it is.
I agree Jesus was a "holy thing [gotta love the KJV]", and calling Him the Son of God as a title is certainly acceptable, thinking He is the actual progeny of God in some way other than created by God is silly.
Regards,
Scott
Muffled
Jesus in me
A woman has a seed available once a month but without a man to add his seed it takes an act of creation by God. I would consider an act of creation artificial wouldn't you?
This is not impossible but for any human vehicle receiving the Spirit of God, that human vehicle is God and not a separate spirit as happens when humans have progeny. If God hasn't done it yet, it is only because there is no good reason for him to do it.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
I would not consider it artificial at all. Creation was not 'artificial', without it there would be no 'nature' to compare to 'artifice' would there?
Regards,
Scott
logician
Well-Known Member
No, because homo sapiens evolved from some other hominid species as a reproductively isolated offshoot most likely. There was no "creation event" for a supposed Adam.
There are those who are not blind and they see, then there are those who were blind and now can see, then there are those who can see but can't preceiveand then there are those who are blind and will see. Everyone fits in there somewhere. So it is written every eye will see; Rev 1:7
Also; For it is written; Ro 14:11 every knee shall bow to me(word made flesh/Hamashiach) and every tongue will confess to (Hashem/God). Y H V H
How Great Thou Art!!!!!!
Also; For it is written; Ro 14:11 every knee shall bow to me(word made flesh/Hamashiach) and every tongue will confess to (Hashem/God). Y H V H
How Great Thou Art!!!!!!
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
We're off topic.......:help:
SimonCross
Member
:beach:Good Morning
The Jesus figure has been the center stage of debate for a long time, and still remains so in the hear and now. In my view from a Catholic stand point Jesus was one of the Great Avatars of the ancient world. He was a path a way for those to take the steps up to God himself.
I do not feel that Jesus was God but a way to the truelight we have in all of us, if we choose? I feel that Jesus was a flesh and blood individual and which yet could be described in a metaphoric sense of the word. A fantastic tool to aid us in these troubling times today.
Jesus! I am the way and the light!!!
With Blessings
Simon Cross
The Jesus figure has been the center stage of debate for a long time, and still remains so in the hear and now. In my view from a Catholic stand point Jesus was one of the Great Avatars of the ancient world. He was a path a way for those to take the steps up to God himself.
I do not feel that Jesus was God but a way to the truelight we have in all of us, if we choose? I feel that Jesus was a flesh and blood individual and which yet could be described in a metaphoric sense of the word. A fantastic tool to aid us in these troubling times today.
Jesus! I am the way and the light!!!
With Blessings
Simon Cross
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
You are the first catholic that I have heard to speak like this. The majority of catholics strongly believe he is God.....
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
You'd rather trip over the furniture? Although it might be fun to watch...I love slapstick.
Jordan St. Francis
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by SimonCross
Good Morning
The Jesus figure has been the center stage of debate for a long time, and still remains so in the hear and now. In my view from a Catholic stand point Jesus was one of the Great Avatars of the ancient world. He was a path a way for those to take the steps up to God himself.
I do not feel that Jesus was God but a way to the truelight we have in all of us, if we choose? I feel that Jesus was a flesh and blood individual and which yet could be described in a metaphoric sense of the word. A fantastic tool to aid us in these troubling times today.
Jesus! I am the way and the light!!!
With Blessings
Simon Cross
The above is not, of course by definition, Catholic belief. The above statement renders the speaker visibly outside of the Catholic Faith.
UnityNow101
Well-Known Member
We seem to be forgetting that we are ALL extensions of God, or the Father, and can claim as much Divinity as Jesus himself. Remember that Jesus told his followers that we are to be one with him as he was one with the Father. He also says that we, or the followers of the teachings of Jesus, will do even greater things than he. "Be still, and know that I AM God."