I believe that there is God and then there is a god. so what that means is that Jehovah God is God Almighty, ruler of the heavens and the earth from time indefinate to time indefinate, but Jesus Christ is a god, in that he too is a ruler, the King that Jehovah God has crowned as his ruler of hid Kingdom. Jesus is the being who will rule god's kingdom, under which Jehovah god is the final ruler. therefore Jesus is A god, but not THE God
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Jesus is God?
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kai
ragamuffin
Popeyesays
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"as i cannot pick and choose which is divine revelation and which is not i choose to step back and not choose to bow down to any of them because i may pick the wrong one and feel a little foolish if i devoted my life to christ and died and found myself in asgard"
The purpose of life is totaled up in a very short prayer for me:
"I bear witness, O my God, that Thou hast created me to know Thee and worship Thee. I testify at this moment to my poverty and to Thy wealth, to my powerlessness and to Thy might. There is none other God but Thee, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting."
We choose, or we fail to choose, a Christian has chosen, a Buddhist has chosen, etc., etc.. To fear to choose is also a choice--by default.
Regards,
Scott
The purpose of life is totaled up in a very short prayer for me:
"I bear witness, O my God, that Thou hast created me to know Thee and worship Thee. I testify at this moment to my poverty and to Thy wealth, to my powerlessness and to Thy might. There is none other God but Thee, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting."
We choose, or we fail to choose, a Christian has chosen, a Buddhist has chosen, etc., etc.. To fear to choose is also a choice--by default.
Regards,
Scott
kai
ragamuffin
i like to think that should i be wrong , a man such as myself who does meet his maker would be judged by his truth not his hypocracy , meaning that i was honest in my not choosing ,
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
As Polonius said, "To thine own self be true, and thou shall not be false to any man."
But Laertes failed to be true to his own self, or he never would have fallen in with the King's plot to kill Hamlet.
I don't believe in damnation, the opportunity of this life is to advance one's self by one's own efforts. A wrong choice is preferential to no choice at all, at least it was an effort. Choice is an acheivment that cannot be underestimated.
The failure to choose is weakness. The decision to choose "No" is still a choice. But one has to justify that choice as much as any other.
Regards,
Scott
Troublemane
Well-Known Member
kai
ragamuffin
the choice is of course only mine
i cannot reconcile myself to the old testement God of slaughter
i cannot reconcile myself to jesus being the son of God
and I cannot reconcile myself to the total submission of Islam
all that kind of puts me out Bahai also but my choice is to learn debate and take in information and the search goes on and who knows one day i may be ready to choose my own God
Nice debating with you Scott ---- peace Kai
Well kind. its more of God Almighty Jehovah is the Afterward it came to be the day
Job 2:1
the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah,
Proverbs 8:22-30
Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.
Jesus here is described as his master worker.
John 1:1-4
In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in [the] beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men
Jesus helped Jehovah to create the earth and the heavens and he was there before all else, but is A god not The God. Jesus is the king of God's Kingdom but is not Almighty god, therefor I believe in One True God, and then also that through his son who is also a god, that we will have everlasting life on a paradise earth.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
kai
ragamuffin
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Not according to Christian theology. Jesus is not an angel, He is the Son of God. The Bible says that His Father gave Him everything He had, so that would include the right to be referred to as God. As a matter of fact, in Hebrews 1:8, God (the Father) addesses His Son as "God," when He says, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
kai
ragamuffin
BINGO Jesus is actually referred to as "the Prince of Peace" but Christ has also been glorified and heightened to being God's King (under Jehovah) in Gods Kingdom
But in answer to your mention of Christ being a "super angel" no, merely the first one created, who then helped Jehovah to create everything else. When humans sinned, he then used Jesus, to get rid of sin from humankind and in return God would make him the King of his Kindom, which is in place in heaven now, and will shortly be upon this earth.
so no, Jesus was not created as a super angel, but is the Archangel Michael. Just like way back in the crusade times, the King lead his army, Michael, who is a glorified Jesus, is leading god's Army in the war against satans demons during the war in heaven which took place in 1914 and will be leading the war of Armageddon.
Mr. Peanut
Active Member
Christ is the Only-Begotten, (not made) Son of God. Angels, including Satan, are created beings, as are we. Jesus is THE Son, The ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God. The very reason the Jews sought to kill him was for the "blasphemy" of calling himself the Son of God--making him EQUAL with God:
John 5
18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
John 5 (cont.)
21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
John 5
18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
John 5 (cont.)
21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Yet, Jesus is in all the geneologies a descendant of Adam, who was NOT an angel.
Regards,
Scott
Regards,
Scott
blueman
God's Warrior
God has revealed Himself to us in three distinct personalities, The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. One God in the essence and attributes associated with diety, but revealed to us in these three distinct personalities.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
I've researched that verse....but never came to that conclusion. I had to look around to find out what scholars thought of it. I've multiple explanations of it....
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Yeshua was not God or a god. The bible states very clear that YHWH is the only god and there was and is no other. Yeshua said that his god was greater than him (the servant) and his god was greater than ALL. He also said his god was the one true god and he was the messiah whom his god has sent. This is what he taught, this is what John the babptist taught and this is what his followers believed. Everything else is speculation.