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Jesus is God.

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anonymous9887

bible reader
metis said:
Correct to the first point; incorrect to the second, imo. As long as there are other options than a theistic cause, and there certainly is, then we cannot assume either-- and I don't.

Also, even if one could establish a theistic causation, it certainly falls way short of giving us any information as to whether it even involves a single god, let alone whether this deity is being reflected in the Bible.
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OK. Just so I can be satisfied with this discussion can you answer this question please? A simple yes or no will do.

Have you seen all the evidence that proves the Bible is inspired? Or all the evidence that Christians claim supports the authority of scripture?
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Paul Chavez said:
OK. Just so I can be satisfied with this discussion can you answer this question please? A simple yes or no will do.

Have you seen all the evidence that proves the Bible is inspired? Or all the evidence that Christians claim supports the authority of scripture?
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I have studied theology for a great many years (over 50), so I have heard and read undoubtedly most of the arguments, but I simply am not at all convinced that any one of them is correct. Possibly correct, yes.

So, if you want to put forth what you feel is conclusive evidence, that's fine, but if it gets too pretentious or argumentative, I'm outta here.

BTW, I'll be outta here shortly until probably Monday, so have a great weekend.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
metis said:
I have studied theology for a great many years (over 50), so I have heard and read undoubtedly most of the arguments, but I simply am not at all convinced that any one of them is correct. Possibly correct, yes.

So, if you want to put forth what you feel is conclusive evidence, that's fine, but if it gets too pretentious or argumentative, I'm outta here.

BTW, I'll be outta here shortly until probably Monday, so have a great weekend.
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I was just asking to see where your coming from. What kind of so called evidence have you run into?
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Paul Chavez said:
I was just asking to see where your coming from. What kind of so called evidence have you run into?
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Certainly none that was at all convincing because of a lack of evidence. Most "evidence" I ran across was based on "Why would Jesus' followers lie?" and/or "Look how accurate the scriptures are!", and/or some mystical "knowledge" that one has.
Many have tried the "How could life come from non-life?"-approach, but even if that was a valid argument. it hardly provides any evidence whatsoever that basic Christianity is correct.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Paul Chavez said:
ok so tell me what it means for nobody to know the day or the hour not the angels in heaven, nor the son, but "ONLY" the father.

Please explain that to mean.
Please provide any form of evidence whether manuscripts or references, or if your saying thats not what a word means provide evidence it means something else. Otherwise you are expecting me to believe your thoughts if you are arguing for the trinitarian position.
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1 a (1) : to perceive directly : have direct cognition of (2) : to have understanding of <importance of knowing oneself> (3) : to recognize the nature of : discernb (1) : to recognize as being the same as something previously known (2) : to be acquainted or familiar with (3) : to have experience of

Jesus will not be around a trillion years from now when the earth goes out of existence so He won't experience it.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Priestess of Lucifer said:
Then why do some call Jesus "God"? Mary was the daughter of God btw.
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I believe the presence of God in Jesus makes His identity God but Jesus also has a body which is not God.

I believe Mary is a daughter of God by way of the general all people are the children of God in the sense that He is their creator. She is most likely a daughter of God in the spiritual sense of having the Paraclete. She is not a child of God in the sense of God producing her conception directly.
 
Luciferi Baphomet

Luciferi Baphomet

Lucifer, is my Liberator
Muffled said:
I believe the presence of God in Jesus makes His identity God but Jesus also has a body which is not God.

I believe Mary is a daughter of God by way of the general all people are the children of God in the sense that He is their creator. She is most likely a daughter of God in the spiritual sense of having the Paraclete. She is not a child of God in the sense of God producing her conception directly.
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In a way Mary is the daughter of God and yes it was incest. God got Mary pregnant and had her give birth to Jesus.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Muffled said:
1 a (1) : to perceive directly : have direct cognition of (2) : to have understanding of <importance of knowing oneself> (3) : to recognize the nature of : discernb (1) : to recognize as being the same as something previously known (2) : to be acquainted or familiar with (3) : to have experience of

Jesus will not be around a trillion years from now when the earth goes out of existence so He won't experience it.
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The Bible consistently shows that the earth itself will remain forever. It is the system that will be done away with.
Ecclesiastes 1:4
Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:10,11,29
Psalm 96:10
Isaiah 45:18
1 chronicles 16:30
Psalm 93:1
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
Muffled said:
1 a (1) : to perceive directly : have direct cognition of (2) : to have understanding of <importance of knowing oneself> (3) : to recognize the nature of : discernb (1) : to recognize as being the same as something previously known (2) : to be acquainted or familiar with (3) : to have experience of

Jesus will not be around a trillion years from now when the earth goes out of existence so He won't experience it.
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You seem to be more on the side of a oneness Pentecostal than a Trinitarian.
 
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Jesus is God.

No, Jesus is dead. This is one of the reasons why he could not be God. The other is that he was a Jew and, before a Jewish man say he is God, he must have lost his mind first.
 
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Paul Chavez said:
What evidence do you use to support your statement?
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Experience as a Jewish man myself. That Jesus is dead, a Christian can fight that only by claiming faith. And for the second statement, I met once a Jew claiming he was the Mashiach in Jerualem. He was soon diagnosed to be crazy. Imagine one claiming to be God!
 
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