The NT was not rewritten at the council of Nicea and no respectable academic scholar would make that claim.
That's not what was said, read it again. I said that the scripture was re-written to support their ideas, and it was.
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The NT was not rewritten at the council of Nicea and no respectable academic scholar would make that claim.
The scripture was not re-written it's a ridiculous claim.That's not what was said, read it again. I said that the scripture was re-written to support their ideas, and it was.
The scripture was not re-written it's a ridiculous claim.
Pretty smug for a person that refuses to cite a source.Ok...
Christ was fully human and fully God so he experienced the same emotions and temptations as all of us do.one issue i have that i dont see many others talk about is the temptation of Jesus. why would the Lord most High need to be tempted?
Pretty smug for a person that refuses to cite a source.
as a human i get but if at the same time He is fully the Almighty then whats the point and would satan not know it was pointless.Christ was fully human and fully God so he experienced the same emotions and temptations as all of us do.
You can find fringe arguments all over the web so call me when you find a reputable mainstream source.
One of a million saying exactly the same thing.
Not smug, just realizing a redundant argument long before it happens.
Good point. If satan knew that Jesus was God, why would he even think to tempt the Most High....his own Creator?one issue i have that i dont see many others talk about is the temptation of Jesus. why would the Lord most High need to be tempted?
as a human i get but if at the same time He is fully the Almighty then whats the point and would satan not know it was pointless.
http://overviewbible.com/verses-that-mention-the-trinity/does Jesus not teach us to follow Him, do what He does, be like Him. but when you apply this with the trinity it would mean your trying to ascend to the level of the Lord most High. i dont think i want to put myself on the same level as the Creator whos glory can not be contained in the heavens and earth.
i think there was divinity in Jesus, heavenly elements, not sure how it all works. but IMO i dont think the trinity was what Jesus was teaching. i think Jesus was trying to teach us all to have the oneness like He had/has with the Father but the trinity teaches this only applies to the 3 being trinity family. i think the trinity diminishes much of what Jesus was was teaching.
http://overviewbible.com/verses-that-mention-the-trinity/
There is no doubt that Jesus said he was the Son of God and He also said if you have seen me then you have seen the father.
Excellent post, Mindmaster. Good reasoning.In historical copies of the Bible, Jesus never even insinuates this relationship. He refers to God as his father, but by Christian conception that would be true for every human on the earth. He never says he is God, part of a trinity, or any such nonsense in the old texts. These things are only agreed upon in some way after the First Council of Nicea and that only happens 325 years after Jesus.
Past that time, all Bibles were re-written to reflect these notions... In terms of authenticity, on a historical basis, they are just an outright lie. Jesus himself never made any claim to these things, and there is no biblical basis for the assertions except for the heavy editing and butchering of the original texts. So, if antiquity can prove Jesus is not God then any allusion that this is the case is some sort of delusion isn't it?
Christians are basically practicing idolatry and placing another God in front of Yahweh, in essence, directly breaking God's word. I can see where this would be a problem for non-Christian faiths who stem from Abrahmic roots.
If there is not one single statement from either the Father or the son to the effect that they shared an equal position in a godhead, then where did such a notion come from?
http://overviewbible.com/verses-that-mention-the-trinity/
There is no doubt that Jesus said he was the Son of God and He also said if you have seen me then you have seen the father.
Sorry for my intrusion. I just don't think you are getting the two good arguments @Deeje and @jaybird are getting at.
5. John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
Father will send in Jesus's name. If Jesus was the Father, he would say: The Holy Spirit who I have sent in my name, will teach you all things and bring you remembrance of all that I have said to you.
He did not say that. He distinctly separated himself by that phrase "Father will send" and Jesus will say all that his father said for him to say to you (the people he is speaking with)
Foreknowledge of God.
Sanctifying work of the SPirit
Blood of Christ
These are three different spirits working together.
The source is always the father. Not Jesus.
Christ was fully human and fully God so he experienced the same emotions and temptations as all of us do.