Jesus is not god

[katiemygirl]

to me its just obvious.....i don't read many scriptures ( if any )

but what i have read just seemed to fall into place and make sense ( in my mind)...... I like to read between the lines if you haven't noticed lol

i live my life sat in the middle instead of taking sides on who and who isn't god etc........the middle is where I'll stay

I'm trying to figure out how you came to the conclusion that Mary is God.

Please check your messages.

 

[mainliner]

I'm trying to figure out how you came to the conclusion that Mary is God.

Please check your messages.

i am checking my messages but there's nothing there?

 

[katiemygirl]

Those are John's writing about Jesus. Jesus never made those claims nor are they his words. You should get a red letter bible and read what Jesus actually said in his own words. You will find he was mostly incoherent and only spoke in parables which no one around him understood.

No Christian can claim to understand Jesus's teachings.

I list the verse first followed by the point I am making.

Mark 4:34 In fact, in his public ministry he never taught without using parables; but afterward, when he was alone with his disciples, he explained everything to them.

1. So unless you were his disciple. Jesus's teachings remain unexplained to the public.

Luke 18:31 Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
32 He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him.
33 On the third day he will rise again."
34 The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.

2. Even the disciples did not understand and did not know what Jesus was talking about even after the resurrection. So Jesus never got over his bad habit of speaking in parables and remained inarticulate, incoherent.

Luke 8:10 He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.

3. Now it is not Jesus's explanation that can reveal to the disciples, but God has to give them that knowledge. Because Jesus only speaks in parables.


John 16: 25 "Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.


4. A time will come when Jesus will speak plainly, coherently. But unfortunately Jesus was put to death before he could. The time for Jesus speaking plainly has passed. Check point 2.

1 Corinthians 2:10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

5. Maybe it is the Spirit that can reveal all things. But we know the Spirit was not getting through to tbe disciples. They constantly complained they did not get what Jesus was saying. Are we in a conundrum??

I do have a red letter Bible.

Jesus speaks to us today through The Holy Spirit, whom He sent to guide us to all truth.

 

[katiemygirl]

i am checking my messages but there's nothing there?

Okay, I will resend.

 

[mainliner]

I'm trying to figure out how you came to the conclusion that Mary is God.

Please check your messages.

to be honest im not quite sure

i like to put myself in there shoes and wonder what id do in there situation............. He was protecting his mother aswell as trying to get the world to understand why the society has come to authority and crucifixion ......and the rest lol.

its what id have done .

if Jesus was god he wouldn't need to be born through pregnancy......he could just appear on earth ......its just cover for there own good.

 

[mainliner]

Could you be a little less disingenuous?

disingenuous........that sounds a negative word ?

didn't bother explaining please ......id like to keep my innocence

thank u

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

i apologize...... Sorry i don't understand any of your post ....sorry.

could you be a little simpler

Those who deny that Jesus is God:-.
1. Muslims.
And discussion with them use the Qur'an
For a Muslim believes in the Koran-
And offer him the Qur'an texts
And dis advantages of these texts and also its contradictions.
The Muslim--the
Say-
Christ,the word of God
Christby the spirit of God
The Holy Spirit
2. non-Muslims.
These discussions with them are Bible-
Just use theBible-
The Bible is not the word of Christ say (I am God)
And the reason
That Christ did not write any thing
Who wrote
Jesus disciples
They wrote the acts of Jesus Christ's recipes
When it is compared with the attributes of God
We know that God
Because God does not know it in the same
God knew in his
Recipes of Christis
The word of God
And the word was God
And talking about Jesus is the Gospel
We don't have any evidence of other
And rely on the Bible

 

[Harikrish]

Jesus could not even have his prayers answered. Every request of his was rejected by God.

Note: Jesus is praying for his disciples safety and not for the rest of the world.

John 17:9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.

Jesus wants them his disciples to remain in this world and not to be taken away. But that prayer was not answered...they were all eventually killed.

John 17: 15 I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.

Jesus asked that that the world would believe him, that he was sent by God. But the Jews rejected him and asked that he be crucified. Another prayer of Jesus went unanswered.

John 17: 21 that they may all be one, just as you , Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

And finally before and after the resurrection.

Jesus reveals his relationship with God.

Signs of a protest by Jesus the night before and at the crucifixion. How revealing is that!!!

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

And when the moment happened and he was made the sacrificial lamb he protested even louder.

Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

 

[mainliner]

Those who deny that Jesus is God:-.
1. Muslims.
And discussion with them use the Qur'an
For a Muslim believes in the Koran-
And offer him the Qur'an texts
And dis advantages of these texts and also its contradictions.
The Muslim--the
Say-
Christ,the word of God
Christby the spirit of God
The Holy Spirit
2. non-Muslims.
These discussions with them are Bible-
Just use theBible-
The Bible is not the word of Christ say (I am God)
And the reason
That Christ did not write any thing
Who wrote
Jesus disciples
They wrote the acts of Jesus Christ's recipes
When it is compared with the attributes of God
We know that God
Because God does not know it in the same
God knew in his
Recipes of Christis
The word of God
And the word was God
And talking about Jesus is the Gospel
We don't have any evidence of other
And rely on the Bible

i feel horrible sorry......im not religious in any sense when it comes to the books and the word etc etc.......its beyond my rational thoughts.

so i am sorry ..honestly but i don't understand what your trying to teach me ?

i like to think in there shoes rather than what someone wrote about them

sorry.......keep your posts simple for me

 

[DrTCH]

Yep, I don't know why they continue to deny what is in front of them.

Acts 2:22 "Men of Israel listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you know."

Multiple verses tell us he did NONE of the "miracles," God did them THROUGH him.

And that makes God - separate from him. Jesus is not God, No trinity.





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Nice citation.

 

[Harikrish]

Nice citation.

Yep, I don't know why they continue to deny what is in front of them.

Acts 2:22 "Men of Israel listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you know."

Multiple verses tell us he did NONE of the "miracles," God did them THROUGH him.

And that makes God - separate from him. Jesus is not God, No trinity.





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If Jesus is it God then he must be a liar or a lunatic.
A liar for saying he was God when he wasn't and a lunatic because he must have known he would be put to death for his lies.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

If Jesus is it God then he must be a liar or a lunatic.
A liar for saying he was God when he wasn't and a lunatic because he must have known he would be put to death for his lies.

Thesemind-questions.
Okay-.-
I will give y ou the best proof that Christ isGod an nounced
The Guide-.
But he did not utter the words-
Comewith me-.
1. who is Christ?!?
2. why??!?
3. who is he that suit him?!?
4. What is the subject of the proceedings???
5. What is the charge against Jesus?!?
6. Christ was criminal??
7. have you committed the crime of Christ??
8. Why was the suit against him to the Romanian authorities???


Wait for the answer you socontinue to make my argument ste p by step
This important question-.
Wait for any Member--understood my words and my questions-.

 

[Harikrish]

Thesemind-questions.
Okay-.-
I will give y ou the best proof that Christ isGod an nounced
The Guide-.
But he did not utter the words-
Comewith me-.
1. who is Christ?!?
2. why??!?
3. who is he that suit him?!?
4. What is the subject of the proceedings???
5. What is the charge against Jesus?!?
6. Christ was criminal??
7. have you committed the crime of Christ??
8. Why was the suit against him to the Romanian authorities???


Wait for the answer you socontinue to make my argument ste p by step
This important question-.
Wait for any Member--understood my words and my questions-.

You may have proven Jesus is not the only incoherent lunatic.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

This is nota new Word.
Bernard Shaw-an English writer-.
This idea-.
Was Jesus mad when he said, "I and the father one??
Not-a-


Christ was a brave-.-
When he a ven and earth shall pass away, but my words don't disappear??
And puts himself on the cross??
Crazyisputting himselfon the cross??
But Jesus is not crazy??
Jesus placed himself on the cross
To prove his word??
That his words will not pass away

 

[nothead]

This is nota new Word.
Bernard Shaw-an English writer-.
This idea-.
Was Jesus mad when he said, "I and the father one??
Not-a-


Christ was a brave-.-
When he a ven and earth shall pass away, but my words don't disappear??
And puts himself on the cross??
Crazyisputting himselfon the cross??
But Jesus is not crazy??
Jesus placed himself on the cross
To prove his word??
That his words will not pass away

Not his words but his Father's Word.

 

[nothead]

Not his words but his Father's Word.

The HEN of neuter declension of "I and the Father are One," is the same HEN of unity in Jn 17 said to be prayed for, for believers,

Jn 17

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

[Muffled]

no its just obvious

I believe what you think is obvious is due to your obliviousness.

 

[Muffled]

It wasn't even obvious to Jesus. He had to ask his disciples what they thought he was. No one thought he was God himself.

Luke 9:18 Once when Jesus was praying in private and his disciples were with him, he asked them, "Who do the crowds say I am?"
19 They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, that one of the prophets of long ago has come back to life."
20 "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Peter answered, "The Christ of God."
21 Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone.

I beleive you do understand what a rhetorical question is, don't you? I believe Jesus did know since He made the stateement that He is one with the father.

 

[Muffled]

so what your saying is that Jesus is the " son " of god ?

I beleive he is saying that Jesus is God the son. I believe son of God is a misnomer that Jesus acceded to but did not prefer.

 

[mainliner]

I believe what you think is obvious is due to your obliviousness.

you believe wrong then