Jesus is not god

[Harikrish]

I beleive you do understand what a rhetorical question is, don't you? I believe Jesus did know since He made the stateement that He is one with the father.

Jesus never mentioned even once his father Joseph in the Bible. Jesus adopted God as his father when he found out Joseph was not his real father.

 

[moorea944]

That's because Joseph wasnt his father. God was. Luke 1 v 26-35, 2 Sam 7 v 12-16. These are just two of many thru out scripture.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

That's because Joseph wasnt his father. God was. Luke 1 v 26-35, 2 Sam 7 v 12-16. These are just two of many thru out scripture.

Welcometo us
Brilliant star of Zion
Yousef was the orator of the Mary
This is written in the Gospel
And Joseph was a Jew also like Mary
The Jews were accused of Mary in adultery
For a man with his legal contract
Was enough to deflect any charges in adultery posted
This is theChristian faith
We have full confidence
On who wrote the Bible
They did not lie in the information they wrote us
Where did not exaggerate
But they left us with the freedom of faith in their words
This information about Saint Joseph

 

[Yes]

I know that most members debated that countless times and the debate is getting old, but actually I came through 2 verses in the bible that would explicitly say that Jesus peace be upon him was not god.

Numbers 23:19 God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Acts 2:22 "Men of Israel listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you know."


Now there are many verses in the bible that do serve the same purpose, but I think these two would be enough for now and I would see how the discussion would progress.

Jesus is God come in the flesh as a Son of God.

In Numbers that scripture is saying God is God and not a mere human. Jesus was human, but no mere human.

In Acts, it says that Jesus was a man, and he is, he is God come in the flesh as a Son of Man.

 

[Harikrish]

Jesus is God come in the flesh as a Son of God.

In Numbers that scripture is saying God is God and not a mere human. Jesus was human, but no mere human.

In Acts, it says that Jesus was a man, and he is, he is God come in the flesh as a Son of Man.

Jesus has been rejected by Judaism and Islam and at best reduced to a rabbi or prophet. The debate should have ended a long time ago.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Jesus has been rejected by Judaism and Islam and at best reduced to a rabbi or prophet...

Well, yes, of course

Almighty G-d is aware of every leaf that falls .. He is aware of every thought of every human being .. simultaneously!

Does it make sense that a man, who was created by G-d, is capable of that?
Of course not!

 

[Ingledsva]

Jesus said before Abraham, he was.
John 8:58
"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

But Jesus does not claim he was before Adam. Even Adam was before Abraham. So how can Jesus be eternal if he came after Adam?

Yes, in fact I think it should be translated more like that below -

To Abraham - Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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John 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard from him.

John 8:27 They understood not that he spoke to them of the Father.

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John 8:56 Abraham, your father, was passionate/zealous to behold the age/era of Me, and experience and hail/rejoice.

John 8:57 Said accordingly the Jews to him, fifty years dead, and did not yet even Abraham behold.

John 8:58 Said he Jesus, verily, verily, I say to you, ere (so that) Abraham be (gonomai) fulfilled, I am (I exist.)

Note that “I am – I exist” is NOT a name.

In other words a claim to be the Hebrew (Messiah,) from the Seed of Abraham (through King David.)

The Hebrew Messiah however, is NOT A GOD - or trinity.

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[Yes]

Jesus has been rejected by Judaism and Islam and at best reduced to a rabbi or prophet. The debate should have ended a long time ago.

The Bible says Jesus was an Apostle, a Rabbi, and it also says he was a Prophet, the Son of Man, and the Son of God.
The scriptures show us that Jesus is God come in the flesh. There are people who know this truth.

 

[Lyndon]

As I understand it, assuming Jesus was at least part God, God is like Mt Everest, incredibly huge, now pick up a small rock or pebble at the base of Mt Everest, is that rock Mt Everest, well yes it actually is a part of Mt Everest, but Mt Everest is much, much, much more than just that small rock or pebble. That small rock or pebble represents Jesus relationship to God, represented by Mt Everest. So In that sense you could say Jesus is God or part of God. But as the muslims so rationally point out, to rank Jesus as equal to God immense power, size, control etc, Is sheer lunacy, so no, Jesus and God are not equal, but perhaps if you have enough faith, Jesus is the closest thing many of us have seen to God living on this earth.

When Pilate questioned Jesus as to whether he was God or the Jewish messiah, his answer was "you say it, not I". I think maybe we should take him at his word, He wasn't going around calling himself the Son of God, he deliberately contradicted his followers by calling himself the Son of Man.

 

[Yes]

As I understand it, assuming Jesus was at least part God, God is like Mt Everest, incredibly huge, now pick up a small rock or pebble at the base of Mt Everest, is that rock Mt Everest, well yes it actually is a part of Mt Everest, but Mt Everest is much, much, much more than just that small rock or pebble. That small rock or pebble represents Jesus relationship to God, represented by Mt Everest. So In that sense you could say Jesus is God or part of God. But as the muslims so rationally point out, to rank Jesus as equal to God immense power, size, control etc, Is sheer lunacy, so no, Jesus and God are not equal, but perhaps if you have enough faith, Jesus is the closest thing many of us have seen to God living on this earth.

When Pilate questioned Jesus as to whether he was God or the Jewish messiah, his answer was "you say it, not I". I think maybe we should take him at his word, He wasn't going around calling himself the Son of God, he deliberately contradicted his followers by calling himself the Son of Man.

Jesus was God before coming to earth. Jesus was God with a body in heaven before coming to earth, and then God in the flesh on earth.

 

[Yes]

Jesus came in the likeness of sinful flesh. He was found in appearance as a man. Jesus was made like a man.

Philippians 2:7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

Philippians 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death-- even death on a cross!

2 Corinthians 8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people

Romans 1:3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David,

Romans 8:3
For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

 

[Lyndon]

If you worship a man in heaven, and not an incredibly powerful force that pervades the whole universe, then I feel sorry for your understanding, Because the true God is much much more than that, certainly to me.

 

[psychoslice]

If you worship a man in heaven, and not an incredibly powerful force that pervades the whole universe, then I feel sorry for your understanding, Because the true God is much much more than that, certainly to me.

Yes I agree, it makes mockery of what the cosmos truly is.

 

[Yes]

If you worship a man in heaven, and not an incredibly powerful force that pervades the whole universe, then I feel sorry for your understanding, Because the true God is much much more than that, certainly to me.

Jesus is God.

 

[psychoslice]

Jesus is God.

So we are lead to believe.

 

[Yes]

So we are lead to believe.

You can find out for yourself. There is only one way to know.

 

[psychoslice]

You can find out for yourself. There is only one way to know.

Yes, your way ,lol.

 

[Yes]

Yes, your way ,lol.

Why do you say my way when I have given you scripture where Jesus says his way?

 

[psychoslice]

Why do you say my way when I have given you scripture where Jesus says his way?

You are using scripture as a weapon, you cannot imagine anyone else seeing the scriptures different to you, this is why Jesus supposedly talked in parables, for everyone listening will see what he was trying to point to in their own way, they will have their own interpretation, we don't have to all think the same, that would be like being a robot. The truth is like a diamond with its many facets, and each facet is part of the diamond, each facet has a different story, but all leading to the truth.

 

[Lyndon]

Believe it or not there is no where in the Bible where it says "Jesus is God" contrary to what some preacher might be telling you, Jesus prayed to the Father in Heaven, not himself, You may call Jesus the son of God, although there are very few place in the Gospels that say or indicate that, but you definitely can't call Jesus God because God is the "Father in Heaven".(again this is not meant to be taken literally, God is not a Man, God is a spiritual Force throughout the universe, to think of God as man is to greatly limit God's power and ability to influence the worlds)

And you could say Jesus is a man in heaven, but God the father is not an older man in heaven that fathered him, again a christian fantasy that is not in the bible, there's no god with long gray hair sitting on a throne in Heaven, that is not in the bible.