Jesus is not god

[mainliner]

I believe then you are in error because you can't prove that you are right .

right in what ?

and i haven't tryed to prove anything, so how do you know i cant?

your making no sense buddy

 

[muhammad_isa]

God calls Himself 'Father', and that is what I call Him.

God Almighty does not call Himself Father! God Almighty did not write the Bible .. various people wrote the Bible in their own languages ..

.. I'm not saying that if God HAD written the Bible, that He wouldn't call Himself 'Father' .. because it doesn't make any sense to communicate in a language which we do not understand.

Words change their meanings over time.. I'm sure you realise that..

Is it 'God the Father' and 'Jesus the Son' in Hebrew, or Greek, I wonder
..and I can assure you that it doesn't mean what you think it means! Don't listen to the like's of Constantine .. he was a clever politician, but not particulrly pious.

 

[Yes]

God Almighty does not call Himself Father! God Almighty did not write the Bible .. various people wrote the Bible in their own languages ..

.. I'm not saying that if God HAD written the Bible, that He wouldn't call Himself 'Father' .. because it doesn't make any sense to communicate in a language which we do not understand.

Words change their meanings over time.. I'm sure you realise that..

Is it 'God the Father' and 'Jesus the Son' in Hebrew, or Greek, I wonder
..and I can assure you that it doesn't mean what you think it means! Don't listen to the like's of Constantine .. he was a clever politician, but not particulrly pious.

I do not even believe as other denominations do. You are struggling to go against me.

If you want to know for sure if what Jesus says in the New Testament is true, you will have to find out the way Jesus says to find out, and that is by getting his teachings and obeying them.

 

[Ingledsva]

God is called Father for a reason.

God's existence doesn't depend on whether you believe in Him or not.

BULL! They were teaching a patriarchal culture, so we have mostly male imagery. There are female images of God in the Bible as well.

Read the DIVINE FEMININE - The Biblical Imagery of God as Female. Virginia Ramey Mollenkott

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[Ingledsva]

It is not just my belief.

It is just your belief, unless you can prove it is true.


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[Ingledsva]

It is not revealed to you.

LOL! Red-herring!

We are not talking about what I believe, - but about what the Bible actually says - or doesn't say.

The Bible does NOT say Jesus is God.

Jesus does not say he is God.

The Bible does NOT say there is a trinity.

Jesus does not teach that he is part of a trinity.

Again - just traditions of later men.

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[Ingledsva]

If I don't give a scripture reference, and you do not recognize the scripture I gave, then you can ask, and I will give it to you .

ING - LOL! BULL! Not even Biblical Scholars can instantly call up every scripture verse and number. You slow down the thread when you don't reference your material. Which I might add - you are required to do by our forum rules.

If I throw out a Bible reference to the Hebrew people saying they were better of with the Goddess, - you are not going to know that verse, - and are going to have to go searching. Far better if I gave the verse and number - YES?


I am speaking about being forgiven by God.
Where did you get that I said we cannot forgive sins when I am the one who said God won't forgive us unless we forgive others.

ING - LOL! You said this "Jesus forgave sins. Only God can forgive sins." Trying to infer that Jesus is God. This is false. The Bible tells us other people can forgive sins, - so Jesus is not God because he can forgive sins!

Jesus did give his disciples the power to do that during the laying of the foundation.

Click to expand his post.

No kidding, that is why I used it to counter what you said.

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[Ingledsva]

All you give are your worthless opinions about God and Jesus. If you want experience and knowledge, you have to get Jesus' teachings and obey them. If you don't, you are just giving your worthless opinion.

John 7:17

Now you are just being offensive! Such speaks volumes!

We are debating what the Bible actually says, and you have given multiple wrong, or personal, opinions about what the scriptures actually say.

Your opinions with no proof, - are just that, - YOUR opinions!


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[Ingledsva]

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Questions were raised
And answer them means to answer
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1. What is the reason prosecution of Christ
2. is it the suit on Jesus
3. is the judgment of Christ
Answering these questions will give you afull answer
And is that Christ said he is God
But in allegorical lyrics
If you have the Greek version
I own Arabic version of the Bible
I hear you answer my questions such
So I give you the manual
Jesus said that he is God
Wait for answer my questions simple this

Jesus does not say he is God. We have shown this repeatedly.


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[Ingledsva]

I do not even believe as other denominations do. You are struggling to go against me.

If you want to know for sure if what Jesus says in the New Testament is true, you will have to find out the way Jesus says to find out, and that is by getting his teachings and obeying them.

And how exactly would his telling you some truth - such as words, and word meanings, change over time, - mean that he is struggling to go against you?

It doesn't say YHVH/God created in Genesis. It says the Elohiym created in their image, male and female.

I'm going to take an educated guess and say this refers to the original God and Goddess pair, - that the Hebrew originally had, and kept turning back to, resulting in thousands of years of the Hebrew One God people committing genocide against their own people, whom didn't want to switch to a new Deity.

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[Unveiled Artist]

Just to add my two cents. Have you guys (people who believe Jesus is God) ever thought that Jesus can be human And be Divine at the same time? I mean, you don't have to be God to have a Divine nature. I have a divine nature as do everyone else.

I see it as more, God gave Jesus a calling to save others in His Name. He can make Jesus without sin "without" Him being God. Remember, God can do anything, right?

We don't have to conclude that Jesus is God for Jesus to have a Divine nature, do His Father's "Not His" calling, and be an intermediary between Christians and God.

By the way, if one is an intermediary, that person is His own self acting to mediate "between" two people. You can't mediate between yourself and someone else.

 

[Yes]

BULL! They were teaching a patriarchal culture, so we have mostly male imagery. There are female images of God in the Bible as well.

Read the DIVINE FEMININE - The Biblical Imagery of God as Female. Virginia Ramey Mollenkott

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The Bible does not say God is our Mother. The Bible does not give us female imagery when it comes to God.

 

[Yes]

Just to add my two cents. Have you guys (people who believe Jesus is God) ever thought that Jesus can be human And be Divine at the same time? I mean, you don't have to be God to have a Divine nature. I have a divine nature as do everyone else.

I see it as more, God gave Jesus a calling to save others in His Name. He can make Jesus without sin "without" Him being God. Remember, God can do anything, right?

We don't have to conclude that Jesus is God for Jesus to have a Divine nature, do His Father's "Not His" calling, and be an intermediary between Christians and God.

By the way, if one is an intermediary, that person is His own self acting to mediate "between" two people. You can't mediate between yourself and someone else.

Jesus is God come in the flesh as a Son of Man.
That is what the scriptures reveal.

 

[Yes]

It is just your belief, unless you can prove it is true.


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I told you how to know for yourself if what Jesus says is true or not.

 

[Yes]

LOL! Red-herring!

The red herring is you calling it a red herring.

We are not talking about what I believe, - but about what the Bible actually says - or doesn't say.

The Bible does NOT say Jesus is God.

Jesus does not say he is God.

The Bible does NOT say there is a trinity.

Jesus does not teach that he is part of a trinity.

Again - just traditions of later men.

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Jesus says when you see him you see the Father.

Since Jesus says that, why do you not accept it?

 

[Yes]

Now you are just being offensive! Such speaks volumes!

We are debating what the Bible actually says, and you have given multiple wrong, or personal, opinions about what the scriptures actually say.

Your opinions with no proof, - are just that, - YOUR opinions!


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Jesus does tell us there are three.
The Bible does say Jesus is the Spirit.
The Bible does say the Spirit is God.

Would you like scripture references?

 

[Yes]

Click to expand his post.

No kidding, that is why I used it to counter what you said.

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Only God can forgive sins for God.
Only God can give someone else the ability to forgive sins for Him.
Jesus forgave sins for God.
Jesus sent his apostles to be able to forgive sins.

 

[Lyndon]

So you can pray to his apostles to forgive sins, who's the real heretic here??

 

[Yes]

So you can pray to his apostles to forgive sins, who's the real heretic here??

Who said pray to an apostle?
Stop straying from what is said.

 

[Lyndon]

So what if your wrong, and Jesus isn't God, but just God's spiritual "son", Does that mean you are not saved and going to hell, or would God forgive you for your heresy, because you didn't know any better, I'd like to know???