Jesus is not god

[Ingledsva]

The Bible does not say God is our Mother. The Bible does not give us female imagery when it comes to God.

I'm going to guess you have heard of the Shekinah.

The Bible Itself tells us the Hebrew worshiped a Goddess and God.

Philo (20 B.C. - 50 A.D.) says the cherubs that covered the Ark, were male and female, representing the male and female aspects of Deity. (Patai, p. 74)

Deity giving birth.

Isa 66:9 Shall not I that make others to bring forth children, myself bear forth, saith the YHVH? shall I, that give generation to others, be barren, saith thy ELOHIYM?

Job Who pent up the sea behind closed doors when it leaped tumultuous out of the WOMB.

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Isa 49:14 But Zion said, forsaken me has Adonay YHVH, and forgotten me.
Isa 49:15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.

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Isa 42:13 The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
Isa 42:14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.

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Hos 13:8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.

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Ruth 1:21 I went out full, and YHVH has brought me back empty. Why do you call me Naomi, since YHVH has set His eye against me, and the (Shaddai) has hurt me?

"Harriet Lutzky, Adjunct Assistant Professor of Psychology at John Jay College, City University of New York, has presented evidence that Shaddai was an attribute of a Semitic goddess, linking the epithet Shaddai with the Hebrew šad meaning "breast", giving the meaning "the one of the Breast", as Asherah at Ugarit is "the one of the Womb"."

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Psalms 123:1 Behold, as the eyes of servants look to the hand of their masters; and as the eyes of a maiden to the hand of her mistress; so our eyes wait on YAHWEH our Elohiym, until to us is bestowed favor. (Master and Mistress)

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(Male and FEMALE as Deity with the Lost ONE.)

Luk 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Luk 15:5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Luk 15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbors, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Luk 15:8 and what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
Luk 15:9 And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbors together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.

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And of course the Song of Songs - goes back an forth between Male and Female.

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Luk 13:20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
Luk 13:21It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

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Deut 32: 11-12 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:

Deut 32:11-12 So YHVH guided/transported him, and no foreign Gods accompanied him.

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Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

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And so on - and on - and on.

Jer 7:17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?

Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the Queen of Heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.


Jer 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the Queen of Heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Jer 44:18 But since we left off to burn incense to the Queen of Heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

Obviously we have many references to the Hebrew Goddess, and Deity as Female, throughout the Bible.

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[Ingledsva]

The red herring is you calling it a red herring.

Jesus says when you see him you see the Father.

Since Jesus says that, why do you not accept it?

Read the whole verse in context. It does NOT mean he is God!

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[Ingledsva]

Jesus does tell us there are three.
The Bible does say Jesus is the Spirit.
The Bible does say the Spirit is God.

Would you like scripture references?

Absolutely - so I can tear them apart.


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[Ingledsva]

Only God can forgive sins for God.
Only God can give someone else the ability to forgive sins for Him.
Jesus forgave sins for God.
Jesus sent his apostles to be able to forgive sins.

And how exactly is this supposed to rebut what I said?

As per the Bible - Anyone can be given that ability, as I said.

Jesus is not God, - just another one given that ability - supposedly as the awaited Messiah.

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[Yes]

Read the whole verse in context. It does NOT mean he is God!

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It does.

 

[Yes]

So what if your wrong, and Jesus isn't God, but just God's spiritual "son", Does that mean you are not saved and going to hell, or would God forgive you for your heresy, because you didn't know any better, I'd like to know???

There is only one Spirit.

 

[Lyndon]

Scripture and verse?? Where in the world did you get that quote from??

 

[Yes]

And how exactly is this supposed to rebut what I said?

As per the Bible - Anyone can be given that ability, as I said.

Jesus is not God, - just another one given that ability - supposedly as the awaited Messiah.

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Philippians 2:6 Although from the beginning He had the nature of God He did not reckon His equality with God a treasure to be tightly grasped.

 

[Yes]

Scripture and verse?? Where in the world did you get that quote from??

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;

 

[Lyndon]

Who has one body and one spirit, Jesus?? Or does he mean each person has one body and one spirit, which they do.

 

[Yes]

I'm going to guess you have heard of the Shekinah.

The Bible Itself tells us the Hebrew worshiped a Goddess and God.

People sinned by worshiping gods and goddesses, who were not really gods and goddesses.


Galatians 4:8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.

1 Corinthians 8:4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that "An idol is nothing at all in the world" and that "There is no God but one."

1 Corinthians 10:20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.

Philo (20 B.C. - 50 A.D.) says the cherubs that covered the Ark, were male and female, representing the male and female aspects of Deity. (Patai, p. 74)

I do not consider things said outside of the Holy Bible.

Deity giving birth.

Isa 66:9 Shall not I that make others to bring forth children, myself bear forth, saith the YHVH? shall I, that give generation to others, be barren, saith thy ELOHIYM?

This is about God giving birth to a nation.

Job Who pent up the sea behind closed doors when it leaped tumultuous out of the WOMB.

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Isa 49:14 But Zion said, forsaken me has Adonay YHVH, and forgotten me.
Isa 49:15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.



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Isa 42:13 The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
Isa 42:14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.

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Hos 13:8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.

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Ruth 1:21 I went out full, and YHVH has brought me back empty. Why do you call me Naomi, since YHVH has set His eye against me, and the (Shaddai) has hurt me?

"Harriet Lutzky, Adjunct Assistant Professor of Psychology at John Jay College, City University of New York, has presented evidence that Shaddai was an attribute of a Semitic goddess, linking the epithet Shaddai with the Hebrew šad meaning "breast", giving the meaning "the one of the Breast", as Asherah at Ugarit is "the one of the Womb"."

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Psalms 123:1 Behold, as the eyes of servants look to the hand of their masters; and as the eyes of a maiden to the hand of her mistress; so our eyes wait on YAHWEH our Elohiym, until to us is bestowed favor. (Master and Mistress)

God is not calling Himself a woman.

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(Male and FEMALE as Deity with the Lost ONE.)

Luk 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
Luk 15:5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Luk 15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbors, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Luk 15:8 and what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
Luk 15:9 And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbors together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.

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And of course the Song of Songs - goes back an forth between Male and Female.

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Luk 13:20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
Luk 13:21It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

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Deut 32: 11-12 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:

Deut 32:11-12 So YHVH guided/transported him, and no foreign Gods accompanied him.

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Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

Again, God is not calling Himself a woman

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And so on - and on - and on.

Jer 7:17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?

Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the Queen of Heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Jer 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the Queen of Heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Jer 44:18 But since we left off to burn incense to the Queen of Heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

Obviously we have many references to the Hebrew Goddess, and Deity as Female, throughout the Bible.

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People sinned by worshipping gods who are not gods, and goddesses.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Scripture says that Jesus always refers back to His Father. When He tells His disciples to heed His Words, He is saying to obey the Father--to obey Him is to obey the Father (God). He never replaced Himself with God; that's an insult to God and to Jesus, as His "Son."

It is not wrong to say that Jesus has a divine nature (perfect) and is not God. In scripture, in Genesis it says "it is not good that they [Adam and Eve] eat of the tree because they'll know the knowledge of good and evil like "us." Us meaning more than one person.
If it was just Jesus, it would be me not us.

When scripture says, the Father and I are one, He is referring to His relationship he has with His Father. A Christian is one with God just as Jesus. What makes Jesus One with the Father is His divinity; what makes Christians One is the Holy Spirit.

Although Jesus and Christians are One with God, they are Not God.

Jesus' "Words" are that of His Father not of His own. He says this too in scripture. It is God's message through Jesus' Words.

Jesus can still die for other peoples' sins and not be God. God works in mysterious ways, right?

Jesus is God come in the flesh as a Son of Man.
That is what the scriptures reveal.

 

[Yes]

Absolutely - so I can tear them apart.


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1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify:

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

 

[Lyndon]

I notice you practically never use the words of Jesus to "prove" you points, you should pay more attention to Jesus and less attention to what other people say.

 

[Ingledsva]

It does.

Since as usual you give no verse and number - I will assume we are discussing John 14!

This is merely saying Jesus is in perfect accord with God, thus an image for the people to emulate.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 14:7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray to the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Joh 14:21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

When read in context - it is OBVIOUS that Jesus IS NOT GOD.

HE SAYS HE DOES NOTHING - HIS FATHER DOES IT ALL!

There is NO trinity in the Bible. Jesus was a JEW, = ONE God.

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[Yes]

Who has one body and one spirit, Jesus?? Or does he mean each person has one body and one spirit, which they do.

God's body is Jesus' body. Jesus' Spirit is God's Spirit.

The scriptures speak of the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of His Son... All these Spirits are one and the same.

 

[Lyndon]

The scripture says that God has no body and is invisible.

 

[Yes]

I notice you practically never use the words of Jesus to "prove" you points, you should pay more attention to Jesus and less attention to what other people say.

I only speak what the scriptures say. You just do not recognize what I am saying as being scripture because I do not always state the scripture reference.

If you ever do not recognize the scripture I am speaking, just ask and I will give you the reference.

 

[Yes]

The scripture says that God has no body and is invisible.

Jesus is God made visible.

Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

 

[Yes]

Since as usual you give no verse and number - I will assume we are discussing John 14!

This is merely saying Jesus is in perfect accord with God, thus an image for the people to emulate.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 14:7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray to the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Joh 14:21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

When read in context - it is OBVIOUS that Jesus IS NOT GOD.

HE SAYS HE DOES NOTHING - HIS FATHER DOES IT ALL!

There is NO trinity in the Bible. Jesus was a JEW, = ONE God.

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Do you believe humans have a spirit?

Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God.