outhouse
Atheistically
You mean El Elyon ?
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Jesus is under subjection to God.
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You mean El Elyon ?
outhouse
Atheistically
Right back at you, you should know it. Without understanding the evolution of polytheism to monotheism, your literally blind here.
El is the father god, Yahweh Is the son. Asherah was married to both depending on time period. And don't forget Baal.
My view of soul, is your personal makeup, especially your set of desires and will. The material and spiritual overlap here,
Prove it. Mention one context, a single one which does. You looking at the clouds and calling them pigs which fly, sir.
Prove it. Mention one context, a single one which does. You looking at the clouds and calling them pigs which fly, sir.
Jewish word for "God" is "elohim," but elohim encompasses 5-6 ontologies total. Dr. Michael Heiser, "What is an elohim?" free PDF online.
Jewish POV after Canaanite pagan considerations, EL is YHWH defined.
Canaanite religion is not Judaic religion. Get a clue. And then the whole pictchah.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
"An elohim?" Elohim is plural.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
the whole text is the context. From beginning to end, Jesus is portrayed as having a Divine nature, from the obvious parallel with the miraculous birth of Augustus, to the resurrection (which is a Divine act), the ascension (ditto), to the sending of the H.S. in Acts. It's a story of a man with a Divine nature.
outhouse
Atheistically
No.
Israelites worshipped a family a deities. El was separate from Yahweh despite redaction in text to monotheism to one god.
outhouse
Atheistically
Canaanite religion evolved into Israelite religion.
Israelites did worship El separately then Yahweh
moorea944
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"God" is one of three Hebrew words. It was the translators who put in "God" or "GOD".
So "God" is either...
1. El - Might or power. The power of YAHWEH
2. Eloah - MIghty One. One's whose might is derived from El. Deity in specific manifestation.
3 Elohim - Plural form of Eloah. Deity in multitudimous manifestation. The word, though plural, is often used with a singular verb, indicating that thought the Elohim may constitute a multitude, one-Etermal Spirit motivates them all, thus revealing Deity in manfiestation. Angels can be Elohim, the judges, Priests, but mostly it's referring to the angels. God manifested in the angels.
El is not a God or a separate God. It is the power of God. David wrote in the Psalms that it was God (El in Hebrew) that girded him with strength. He was talking about the power of YAHWEH
Psalms 8 "For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels" or Elohim in Hebrew.
So "God" is either...
1. El - Might or power. The power of YAHWEH
2. Eloah - MIghty One. One's whose might is derived from El. Deity in specific manifestation.
3 Elohim - Plural form of Eloah. Deity in multitudimous manifestation. The word, though plural, is often used with a singular verb, indicating that thought the Elohim may constitute a multitude, one-Etermal Spirit motivates them all, thus revealing Deity in manfiestation. Angels can be Elohim, the judges, Priests, but mostly it's referring to the angels. God manifested in the angels.
El is not a God or a separate God. It is the power of God. David wrote in the Psalms that it was God (El in Hebrew) that girded him with strength. He was talking about the power of YAHWEH
Psalms 8 "For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels" or Elohim in Hebrew.
outhouse
Atheistically
Yes we understand that is the current definition.
But the definition factually changed.
Monotheism did not even start until after 622 BC during King Josiah's reforms. It did not take hold in all the population of Israel until 200-400 BC.
outhouse
Atheistically
As an atheist I would say your correct, nothing is a god.
Early Israelites however would say, your factually wrong.
The concept is the father of all gods, and the father of Yahweh in a specific time period.
Kolibri
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Scripturally this is accurate, but the premise that Jehovah developed out of these other gods is what I object to.
The Israelites were very polytheistic. Abraham's father Terah, for a time, worshipped other gods. It is possible it was the moon-god Sin as it was the favored deity of Ur. (Joshua 24:2)
Ezekiel 20:1-32 has an account of Jehovah upbraiding the nation for going after other gods, including the gods of Egypt.
"But they rebelled against me and were not willing to listen to me. They did not throw away the detestable things that were before them, and they would not abandon the disgusting idols of Egypt." - Ezekiel 20:8
Evidently this was while they were still in the land of Goshen, as the review of their history did not reach the point of them leaving Egypt till verse 10. The whole of these few verses shows that, all the way up till the time of Jerusalem's destruction by the Babylonians, the Jews would keep prostituting themselves to other gods.
Even after the destruction of Jerusalem, the survivors as a whole were not serving Jehovah exclusively. Ezekiel 36:24,25 showed that they would not be cleansed of this completely till they were repatriated.
So, yes, in practice they were a polytheistic people. As Elijah once asked them, "How long will you be limping between two different opinions? (or "on two crutches.")" - 1 Kings 18:21
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moorea944
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I disagree. Thoses are all Hebrews words. Plus, the bible gives examples of them too.
outhouse
Atheistically
Not up for debate
History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Israelite monotheism evolved gradually out of pre-existing beliefs and practices of the ancient world.[76] The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved[77] and other ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on a cult of ancestors and worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[78] Its major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god
By the time of the early Hebrew kings, El and Yahweh had become fused
Yahweh, later the national god of both Israel and Judah,
moorea944
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Nope, not at all. It must be a different El that your thinking of. Asherah and Baal has nothing to do with Yahweh. There is only one true God. Yahweh. You can fluff it anyway your want with Wikipedia or Google or whatever....
outhouse
Atheistically
outhouse
Atheistically
Your factually wrong.
Asherah was Yahwehs consort. And Els before that.
You can search for Yawheh and his Asherah, and you will see drawings from 800 BC that show your deities.
And these match Israelite history.
moorea944
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Shouldnt I be saying that to you???......