Jesus is under subjection to God.

[nothead]

"Kolibri, post: 4209689, member: 55852"]"because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily." - Colossians 2:9

The Greek word the·oʹtes, or "divine quality", does not though make Jesus coequal and coeternal with the Father, any more than the fact that all humans share “humanity” or “human nature” makes them coequal or all the same age.

No one knows what theotetos means. Used the one time in the Bible. This is PENTECOSTAL terminology, how do I know? "Indwelling" or "tabernacling" is of the Holy Spirit, first come to the Jews as the SHEKINAH indwelling of the invisible presence of God. FULLNESS denotes the Anointed One, fully indwelt of the indwelling.

Colossians 1:19 shows that this was not Jesus' decision for this "fullness to dwell in him" but "God was well pleased to have" it so. And really there is no better way for us to learn about Jehovah than by carefully learning all that we can about Jesus because he had been with his heavenly Father since the very beginning of creation. Jesus knows better than anyone else the personality and will of God.

Of course you were thinking ontology of Jesus here, not the indwelling Holy Spirit. SINCE you think not as the Jew thought then.

"Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also." - John 14:9

So then what does this mean if the Father hath never BEEN SEEN, sir? John 4x says it explicitly. Must be some kind of figurative, huh? And not literally FIGURATIVE, huh?

 

[sojourner]

You are right about proofs. I have evidences galore. Want one? Jesus never said he was God? Evidence enough? Actually was compelling to me, when I started my investigation thereof.

How do you know "Jesus never said he was God?" Were you there to hear everything he said?" Give us at least some eyewitness -- and no, the gospel writers weren't eyewitnesses. If you think the gospels are the sum total of everything Jesus said, you're quite wrong. You got nothing. None.

 

[nothead]

How do you know "Jesus never said he was God?" Were you there to hear everything he said?" Give us at least some eyewitness -- and no, the gospel writers weren't eyewitnesses. If you think the gospels are the sum total of everything Jesus said, you're quite wrong. You got nothing. None.

Why would they neglect to say this saying, being one way too explosive not to repeat in oral tradition, writings and epistles?

 

[sojourner]

Why would they neglect to say this saying, being one way too explosive not to repeat in oral tradition, writings and epistles?

I think it is said -- just not as explicitly nor in such an in-your-face way as you'd like.

 

[nothead]

I think it is said -- just not as explicitly nor in such an in-your-face way as you'd like.

Not said at all? Want a list I compiled which state the unstated absolute statements of the trin and JisG?

 

[Kolibri]

@nothead I am not sure we are understanding each other.

Of course, John 14:9 was figurative. I used it to back up the earlier statement. When we study Jesus, we see the Father's personality in action because Jesus so closely resembles his Father's way of thinking and feeling. We do not literally see the Father with our physical eyes, but our eyes of understanding do see the Father more clearly. Besides the effects of the holy spirit giving power beyond what is normal, besides Jesus being anointed to fill specific roles, he also has the history of being God's longest and most intimate companion that makes him well suited.

 

[nothead]

@nothead I am not sure we are understanding each other.

Of course, John 14:9 was figurative. I used it to back up the earlier statement. When we study Jesus, we see the Father's personality in action because Jesus so closely resembles his Father's way of thinking and feeling. We do not literally see the Father with our physical eyes, but our eyes of understanding do see the Father more clearly. Besides the effects of the holy spirit giving power beyond what is normal, besides Jesus being anointed to fill a specific roles, he also has the history of being God's longest and most intimate companion that makes him well suited.

If you call "history" thirty years then cool. Somehow though this does not strike me as what you meant. Personality in action is a psychologist's wording, not exactly Judaic.
Also a man doesn't think as God thinks. What was exemplified was that the Spirit sent unto Jesus was fully indwelt by Jesus, and SEEING the Father would be more through him than anything else available. "Show us the Father," also was God exhaustively. Phillip wanted to see God as never before. Not en whole.

 

[cataway]

How do you know "Jesus never said he was God?" Were you there to hear everything he said?" Give us at least some eyewitness -- and no, the gospel writers weren't eyewitnesses. If you think the gospels are the sum total of everything Jesus said, you're quite wrong. You got nothing. None.

how about matthew 4:10

10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”

 

[sojourner]

Not said at all? Want a list I compiled which state the unstated absolute statements of the trin and JisG?

I really don't care what you've compiled. You're not a scholar. I'll stick with people who know what they're talking about. Seems to have served me well thus far.

 

[Desert Snake]

how about matthew 4:10

10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”

He was referring to Himself.

 

[sojourner]

how about matthew 4:10

10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”

Aaaaand... this "proves" that Jesus never said he was God.... how, again?

 

[Kolibri]

If you call "history" thirty years then cool. Somehow though this does not strike me as what you meant.

No that is not what I meant. I had in mind more on the order of billions of years. Jesus is "the first-born of all creation." That is before the "big bang." (Ge 1:1) Before all other angels.

Most likely, as Jehovah's chief spokesman or Word, he was the angel of Ex 23:20-23.

 

[cataway]

Aaaaand... this "proves" that Jesus never said he was God.... how, again?

He was referring to Himself.

actually is shows us you have a problem with reading comprehension

 

[sojourner]

actually is shows us you have a problem with reading comprehension

So, you admit that it doesn't prove that Jesus never, ever said he was God. Wonderful. Thank you.

 

[nothead]

I really don't care what you've compiled. You're not a scholar. I'll stick with people who know what they're talking about. Seems to have served me well thus far.

Maybe I am annoyingly more progressive than your so-called scholars too, and annoyingly annoying in general to you too:

What would Absolute Terminology entail, regarding the Deity of Jesus or the Trinity?
I am God. (Jesus)
I am God the Son (Jesus)
I am God the Lamb (Jesus)
I am God incarnate (Jesus)
I am YHWH Elohim. (Jesus)
I am elohim (Yhwh Elohim). (Jesus)
I am the Ancient of Days (Jesus)
I am the Lord of Spirits (Jesus)
I am the Lord of Glory (Jesus)
I needed glory from my Father, but as God I have all glory, it was a technicality of office or function (Jesus)
I am the Elohim of elohim (Jesus)
I am the One True God. (Jesus)
I am the Only God. (Jesus)
I am the One and Only True God (Jesus)
I am the Only True God (Jesus)
I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Jesus)
I am the God of your fathers (Jesus)
I am the same God as your Father (Jesus)
I am the same God as your Father and the Holy Spirit (Jesus)
I am God as your Father is God (Jesus)
I am the God of Moses (Jesus)
I and the Father are the same God as you (the Jewish nation) know (Jesus)
I am equal to my Father (Jesus)
I am equal to God (Jesus)
I am equal to the One True God (Jesus)
I am equal to YHWH Elohim (Jesus)
I am equal to the Only God (Jesus)
I am equal to the One and Only God (Jesus)
I am equal to the Holy Spirit (Jesus)
I am equal to both the Father and the Holy Spirit (Jesus)
I am equal to my other partners who are God (Jesus)
I am equal to the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob (Jesus)
I am equal to the God of Moses (Jesus)
I am equal to the God of your fathers (Jesus)
I prayed to myself, God (God or Jesus)
I will die as God and some other God of me will raise me up (God)
I, God suffered (God)
I, God had anxiety (God)
I, God was tempted to sin (God)
I am the God of Peace (Jesus)
I am the Living God (Jesus)
I am God incarnate (Jesus)
I am not created (Jesus)
I am uncreated (Jesus)
I am Godman. (Jesus)
I am both man and God. (Jesus)
I lived and breathed with God before the foundation of the world (Jesus)
I am the WE who are God. (God or Jesus)
I am Lord and God (Jesus)
I am God and Creator (Jesus)
I am Creator of the World (Jesus)
I am the Lord of Life (Jesus)
I created all things (Jesus)
I created a single thing (Jesus), elements, animals, plants, etc.
I raised myself from the dead (Jesus)
I will raise myself, and my Father will too, and the Holy Spirit also, us in trinity (Jesus)
I was sustaining you before creation (Jesus)
I worked with God physically before creation (Jesus)
I played and worked with God before the foundation of the world (Jesus)
**********************************************************
Jesus is God
Jesus is God the Son
Jesus is God the Lamb
Jesus is God incarnate
Jesus is YHWH Elohim
Jesus is the One True God
Jesus is the Only God
Jesus is ha elohim
Jesus is the Ancient of Days
Jesus is the Lord of Spirits
Jesus is the Lord of Glory
Jesus needed glory from his Father even though as God he has all glory to begin with
Jesus is the One and Only True God
Jesus is the One and Only God
Jesus is the God of your fathers
Jesus is the God of Moses
Jesus is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
Jesus is the God of Abraham
Jesus is the God of the prophets
Jesus is the same God as your Father
Jesus is Elohim of elohim
Jesus is the same God as your Father and the Holy Spirit
Jesus is the Living God
Jesus is the Creator
Jesus is uncreated
Jesus loved Himself, the Shema to love God with ALL of you
Jesus made the worlds as the Father made the worlds
Jesus made the worlds along with the Holy Spirit and the Father
Jesus is God incarnate
Jesus is the God of Peace
Jesus is eternally begotten
Jesus is unbegotten
Jesus has always been with God PHYSICALLY
Jesus is both man and God
Jesus is Godman
Jesus is greater than all
Jesus loved himself as the Shema requires, with all
Jesus knew all things absolutely
Jesus' name is equal to God's name
Jesus' absolute authority is equal to his Father's absolute authority
Jesus is Lord and God (Jn 20:28 excluded)
Jesus came in his own name
He (Jesus) is God
He is God the Son
He is God the Lamb
He is God incarnate
He is YHWH Elohim
He is elohim (YHWH elohim)
He is the One True God
He is the Only God
He is the One and Only True God
He is the One and Only God
He is the Ancient of Days
He is the Lord of Spirits
He is the Lord of Glory
He is Elohim of elohim
He is the God of your fathers
He is the God of Moses
He is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
He is the God of the Prophets
He is the same God as your Father
He is the same God as your Father and the Holy Spirit
He is the Creator
He, Christ made the worlds as his Father also made the worlds
He is unbegotten
He is the Lord of Glory, and needed glory even so, from his Father
He needed glory from his Father, but not the other partner, his Holy Spirit
He is God incarnate
He is the God of Peace
He is the Living God
He was not created
He was uncreated
He is both man and God
He is Godman
He lived and breathed with God before the foundation of the world
He is Lord and God
He is God and Creator
***********************************************************
WE are not created
WE are uncreated
We are all three equal
We are both God
We are both the Ancient of Days
We are the Lord of Spirits
We are the Lord of Glory
We HAVE all glory but give glory to each other in turn, sharing it.
We became a man, meaning I the Christ.
All three of us became a man, becoming Jesus the Godman
We lived and breathed as God before the foundation of the world
We are God.
We are three in One God
We are the three-in-one God
We are the One God
We are the One True God
We are the One and Only God
We are the One and Only True God
We are all equal
We are all equally God
We are the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
We are the God of Moses
We are the God of your fathers
We are the Triune God
We are the new and improved God
We are the new God which adds to the old God
We are the same God as YHWH
We are YHWH
We are elohim (YHWH Elohim)
We are Elohim of elohim
We are the three persons in one Being God
We are the three hypostasis in one homoousia God
We are the God of Peace
We are the Living God
We are Lord and God
We are God and Creator
***************************************************************
They are God
They are the One True God
They are the One and Only God
They are the living God
They are Lord and God
They are Elohim of Elohim
They are the Ancient of Days
They are the Lord or Lords of Spirits
The are the Lord or Lords of Glory
They are God and Creator
They have all glory but share equally to one another
(Jesus) "..my kingdom..."
(Jesus) "...my creation..."
(Jesus) "...my equal (Father)"
(Jesus) "my family the Father and the Holy Spirit"
(Jesus) "...our partnership/or corporation/or team of God"
(Jesus) "We the Holy Trinity"
Jesus is God incarnate
Jesus the God died.
Jesus our God died
Jesus God almighty died
Jesus needed glory although as God he already has ALL glory
God died.
God the Son died.
God the Lamb died.
God became flesh.
God raised himself from Death.
God the Son
God the Lamb
God the Holy Spirit
God became man
God became a man
God loved Himself with all, the Shema
God prayed to Himself
God was tempted to sin
God had anxiety
God knew not some things
God limited Himself for our sake.
God became less than God
God conquered the world, which he made
God overcame the world, which he made
God was Jesus and is still Jesus and the Father both
God is Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit
God is the Father and Son in relationship
God is the Father and Son and Holy Spirit in relationship
God prayed to Jesus
God asks Jesus for advice
God asks Jesus for inspiration
God asks Jesus for power
God asks Jesus for succor
God asks Jesus for anything other than what he was supposed to be and do
God has 2 or 3 minds
God has 2 or 3 wills
God is plural
God is composite in number
God is a compound God
God is 3
God is 2
God is 3 in one
God is 2 in one
God has a same kind of Son
God's Son is God
God is not married but has a God-son
Godhead is God
God is a Godhead
God prays to Himself
God died
God asks Himself for power, or Words or glory
God commands the other God in Himself to revive
God lives again
God's name is Jesus
God came in the name of Jesus
God submitted to Jesus once or twice
God serves Jesus, as Jesus serves God (they take turns)
God is Spirit, and the Spirit is wholly God (absolute equality, mathematically convertible)
God is three Persons and one Being
God is homoousias with Jesus and the Spirit
God is homousias with Jesus
God's essence is the same as Jesus' essence
God is the same WHAT of Jesus
God is the same being as Jesus
God suckled
God was born of a woman
God was born of a human mother
God's mother was Mary
*************************************************************
All glory came by me, as I am the source of it (Jesus)
All glory is mine, since I am God (Jesus)
My Father gave me glory, and my Holy Spirit gave me glory (Jesus)
I give the Holy Spirit glory as well as the Father (Jesus)
My glory has always been mine. (Jesus)
Your glory comes from me alone (Jesus)
I prayed to the Holy Spirit as well as the Father (Jesus)
I asked the Holy Spirit for advice (Jesus)
I asked the Holy Spirit for power (Jesus)
All things came into existence by me (Jesus)
My Father raised me up, the Holy Spirit raised me up, and I raised myself up
I am really 'we'
He is really them
Mine is really ours
The Being is really "I AM"
The One True God is really Three True Persons in One Godhead
The Three in Heaven converse, shape the worlds, and team up equally
One who is God came to earth, while in Heaven the other two ran things
There are three who are God

 

[nothead]

He was referring to Himself.

Uph, him is me, I thee thayeth the blind man. Perverting plain text again I thee.

 

[nothead]

So, you admit that it doesn't prove that Jesus never, ever said he was God. Wonderful. Thank you.

What he might have said is pure conjecture. What he did say written down we know. Stick to simple truth, be happy.

 

[nothead]

No that is not what I meant. I had in mind more on the order of billions of years. Jesus is "the first-born of all creation." That is before the "big bang." (Ge 1:1) Before all other angels.

Most likely, as Jehovah's chief spokesman or Word, he was the angel of Ex 23:20-23.

Billions or tetracycline gadzillions? No beginning for Jesus would naturally be just that. Jesus' nephesh was born in the womb. No known souls of men were born earlier. Jesus WAS when God determined him, before the world was, get Judaic pre-existence down, be happy.

 

[sojourner]

Maybe I am annoyingly more progressive than your so-called scholars too, and annoyingly annoying in general to you too:

What would Absolute Terminology entail, regarding the Deity of Jesus or the Trinity?
I am God. (Jesus)
I am God the Son (Jesus)
I am God the Lamb (Jesus)
I am God incarnate (Jesus)
I am YHWH Elohim. (Jesus)
I am elohim (Yhwh Elohim). (Jesus)
I am the Ancient of Days (Jesus)
I am the Lord of Spirits (Jesus)
I am the Lord of Glory (Jesus)
I needed glory from my Father, but as God I have all glory, it was a technicality of office or function (Jesus)
I am the Elohim of elohim (Jesus)
I am the One True God. (Jesus)
I am the Only God. (Jesus)
I am the One and Only True God (Jesus)
I am the Only True God (Jesus)
I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Jesus)
I am the God of your fathers (Jesus)
I am the same God as your Father (Jesus)
I am the same God as your Father and the Holy Spirit (Jesus)
I am God as your Father is God (Jesus)
I am the God of Moses (Jesus)
I and the Father are the same God as you (the Jewish nation) know (Jesus)
I am equal to my Father (Jesus)
I am equal to God (Jesus)
I am equal to the One True God (Jesus)
I am equal to YHWH Elohim (Jesus)
I am equal to the Only God (Jesus)
I am equal to the One and Only God (Jesus)
I am equal to the Holy Spirit (Jesus)
I am equal to both the Father and the Holy Spirit (Jesus)
I am equal to my other partners who are God (Jesus)
I am equal to the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob (Jesus)
I am equal to the God of Moses (Jesus)
I am equal to the God of your fathers (Jesus)
I prayed to myself, God (God or Jesus)
I will die as God and some other God of me will raise me up (God)
I, God suffered (God)
I, God had anxiety (God)
I, God was tempted to sin (God)
I am the God of Peace (Jesus)
I am the Living God (Jesus)
I am God incarnate (Jesus)
I am not created (Jesus)
I am uncreated (Jesus)
I am Godman. (Jesus)
I am both man and God. (Jesus)
I lived and breathed with God before the foundation of the world (Jesus)
I am the WE who are God. (God or Jesus)
I am Lord and God (Jesus)
I am God and Creator (Jesus)
I am Creator of the World (Jesus)
I am the Lord of Life (Jesus)
I created all things (Jesus)
I created a single thing (Jesus), elements, animals, plants, etc.
I raised myself from the dead (Jesus)
I will raise myself, and my Father will too, and the Holy Spirit also, us in trinity (Jesus)
I was sustaining you before creation (Jesus)
I worked with God physically before creation (Jesus)
I played and worked with God before the foundation of the world (Jesus)
**********************************************************
Jesus is God
Jesus is God the Son
Jesus is God the Lamb
Jesus is God incarnate
Jesus is YHWH Elohim
Jesus is the One True God
Jesus is the Only God
Jesus is ha elohim
Jesus is the Ancient of Days
Jesus is the Lord of Spirits
Jesus is the Lord of Glory
Jesus needed glory from his Father even though as God he has all glory to begin with
Jesus is the One and Only True God
Jesus is the One and Only God
Jesus is the God of your fathers
Jesus is the God of Moses
Jesus is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
Jesus is the God of Abraham
Jesus is the God of the prophets
Jesus is the same God as your Father
Jesus is Elohim of elohim
Jesus is the same God as your Father and the Holy Spirit
Jesus is the Living God
Jesus is the Creator
Jesus is uncreated
Jesus loved Himself, the Shema to love God with ALL of you
Jesus made the worlds as the Father made the worlds
Jesus made the worlds along with the Holy Spirit and the Father
Jesus is God incarnate
Jesus is the God of Peace
Jesus is eternally begotten
Jesus is unbegotten
Jesus has always been with God PHYSICALLY
Jesus is both man and God
Jesus is Godman
Jesus is greater than all
Jesus loved himself as the Shema requires, with all
Jesus knew all things absolutely
Jesus' name is equal to God's name
Jesus' absolute authority is equal to his Father's absolute authority
Jesus is Lord and God (Jn 20:28 excluded)
Jesus came in his own name
He (Jesus) is God
He is God the Son
He is God the Lamb
He is God incarnate
He is YHWH Elohim
He is elohim (YHWH elohim)
He is the One True God
He is the Only God
He is the One and Only True God
He is the One and Only God
He is the Ancient of Days
He is the Lord of Spirits
He is the Lord of Glory
He is Elohim of elohim
He is the God of your fathers
He is the God of Moses
He is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
He is the God of the Prophets
He is the same God as your Father
He is the same God as your Father and the Holy Spirit
He is the Creator
He, Christ made the worlds as his Father also made the worlds
He is unbegotten
He is the Lord of Glory, and needed glory even so, from his Father
He needed glory from his Father, but not the other partner, his Holy Spirit
He is God incarnate
He is the God of Peace
He is the Living God
He was not created
He was uncreated
He is both man and God
He is Godman
He lived and breathed with God before the foundation of the world
He is Lord and God
He is God and Creator
***********************************************************
WE are not created
WE are uncreated
We are all three equal
We are both God
We are both the Ancient of Days
We are the Lord of Spirits
We are the Lord of Glory
We HAVE all glory but give glory to each other in turn, sharing it.
We became a man, meaning I the Christ.
All three of us became a man, becoming Jesus the Godman
We lived and breathed as God before the foundation of the world
We are God.
We are three in One God
We are the three-in-one God
We are the One God
We are the One True God
We are the One and Only God
We are the One and Only True God
We are all equal
We are all equally God
We are the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
We are the God of Moses
We are the God of your fathers
We are the Triune God
We are the new and improved God
We are the new God which adds to the old God
We are the same God as YHWH
We are YHWH
We are elohim (YHWH Elohim)
We are Elohim of elohim
We are the three persons in one Being God
We are the three hypostasis in one homoousia God
We are the God of Peace
We are the Living God
We are Lord and God
We are God and Creator
***************************************************************
They are God
They are the One True God
They are the One and Only God
They are the living God
They are Lord and God
They are Elohim of Elohim
They are the Ancient of Days
They are the Lord or Lords of Spirits
The are the Lord or Lords of Glory
They are God and Creator
They have all glory but share equally to one another
(Jesus) "..my kingdom..."
(Jesus) "...my creation..."
(Jesus) "...my equal (Father)"
(Jesus) "my family the Father and the Holy Spirit"
(Jesus) "...our partnership/or corporation/or team of God"
(Jesus) "We the Holy Trinity"
Jesus is God incarnate
Jesus the God died.
Jesus our God died
Jesus God almighty died
Jesus needed glory although as God he already has ALL glory
God died.
God the Son died.
God the Lamb died.
God became flesh.
God raised himself from Death.
God the Son
God the Lamb
God the Holy Spirit
God became man
God became a man
God loved Himself with all, the Shema
God prayed to Himself
God was tempted to sin
God had anxiety
God knew not some things
God limited Himself for our sake.
God became less than God
God conquered the world, which he made
God overcame the world, which he made
God was Jesus and is still Jesus and the Father both
God is Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit
God is the Father and Son in relationship
God is the Father and Son and Holy Spirit in relationship
God prayed to Jesus
God asks Jesus for advice
God asks Jesus for inspiration
God asks Jesus for power
God asks Jesus for succor
God asks Jesus for anything other than what he was supposed to be and do
God has 2 or 3 minds
God has 2 or 3 wills
God is plural
God is composite in number
God is a compound God
God is 3
God is 2
God is 3 in one
God is 2 in one
God has a same kind of Son
God's Son is God
God is not married but has a God-son
Godhead is God
God is a Godhead
God prays to Himself
God died
God asks Himself for power, or Words or glory
God commands the other God in Himself to revive
God lives again
God's name is Jesus
God came in the name of Jesus
God submitted to Jesus once or twice
God serves Jesus, as Jesus serves God (they take turns)
God is Spirit, and the Spirit is wholly God (absolute equality, mathematically convertible)
God is three Persons and one Being
God is homoousias with Jesus and the Spirit
God is homousias with Jesus
God's essence is the same as Jesus' essence
God is the same WHAT of Jesus
God is the same being as Jesus
God suckled
God was born of a woman
God was born of a human mother
God's mother was Mary
*************************************************************
All glory came by me, as I am the source of it (Jesus)
All glory is mine, since I am God (Jesus)
My Father gave me glory, and my Holy Spirit gave me glory (Jesus)
I give the Holy Spirit glory as well as the Father (Jesus)
My glory has always been mine. (Jesus)
Your glory comes from me alone (Jesus)
I prayed to the Holy Spirit as well as the Father (Jesus)
I asked the Holy Spirit for advice (Jesus)
I asked the Holy Spirit for power (Jesus)
All things came into existence by me (Jesus)
My Father raised me up, the Holy Spirit raised me up, and I raised myself up
I am really 'we'
He is really them
Mine is really ours
The Being is really "I AM"
The One True God is really Three True Persons in One Godhead
The Three in Heaven converse, shape the worlds, and team up equally
One who is God came to earth, while in Heaven the other two ran things
There are three who are God

I'm not interested in quote-mines, so much as I am context. These are all lovely, but they can be interpreted in several different ways and dismissed. But when the context upholds the Deity of Jesus -- that's when we sit up and take notice.

 

[sojourner]

What he might have said is pure conjecture. What he did say written down we know. Stick to simple truth, be happy.

No we don't. What we "know" is "what somebody said Jesus said."