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IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Polymath257 Yah But......
Jesus created you.. He does know you! And because you know Jesus died for you so you would not have to die.. It is easy to fall in love with God!
You as a Catholic may believe that Jesus created the world, but non-Christians don't agree. To me as a Jew, the idea that God is a man is unthinkable.
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
You as a Catholic may believe that Jesus created the world, but non-Christians don't agree. To me as a Jew, the idea that God is a man is unthinkable.

IndigoChild5559 I hope all is well... I disagree with you... the idea that God is a man is NOT unthinkable for a Jew!
Jesus was a Jew! The first Christians were ALL Jews! Christians believe Jesus is God!

Matthew 1:23The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
+ This is prophesy...
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
IndigoChild5559 "God with us"!

Elizabeth is a Jew her husband was a High Priest.. She tells you; Mary is the Mother of her God!
Luke 1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
IndigoChild5559 I hope all is well... I disagree with you... the idea that God is a man is NOT unthinkable for a Jew!
Jesus was a Jew! The first Christians were ALL Jews! Christians believe Jesus is God!

Matthew 1:23The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
+ This is prophesy...
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
IndigoChild5559 "God with us"!

Elizabeth is a Jew her husband was a High Priest.. She tells you; Mary is the Mother of her God!
Luke 1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Do you realize how few Jews become Christians? Of all ethnicities, no where have Christian missionaries been less successful than among Jews.
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
Do you realize how few Jews become Christians? Of all ethnicities, no where have Christian missionaries been less successful than among Jews.

Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
 

Shadow11

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Polymath257 Do you believe in Ghosts! THROUGHOUT....

Polymath257
throughout the history man from the caveman up to today man has believed in Spirits! Example; the North American Indian believed in "The Great White Spirit"!

Jesus rose glorified!
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

Jesus died he can not die a second time... THINK..

Polymath257
think; you can not even kill a stinking, no good for nut in, mangy dog two times! To each; man is allotted only ONE (1) death! Jesus has been there and done that NEVER...

Polymath257
never ever to die again! What you have to do IF....... If you want to live for eternity is get your ssa IMMERSED into the resurrected never to die a second time body of Jesus! Finding yourself IN the risen Body of Jesus is to LIVE FOREVER!

I'm native American and you say we believed in the great "white" spirit - its the "Great Spirit" the words you spoke are white man's words.
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
I'm native American and you say we believed in the great "white" spirit - its the "Great Spirit" the words you spoke are white man's words.
Shadow11 you miss the point.... Whiteman!? Question do natives persons believe in spirits!? Y or N!? The world has always believed in spirits and or life after death!
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
If that is the case for you, have fun.

The whole 'don't have to die' thing doesn't seem to have worked very well. Everyone since that time has died.
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Polymath257 thank you for your post...
When God first created the earth it was created Perfectly! Logic alone says: If God did anything less then perfect he would not be perfect thus NOT God! God created Adam... Perfectly....
This perfect man freely decided to sin! With the free choice God gave man Adam sinned! Adam "The Perfect Man" brought corruption and death into God' perfect creation!
Polymath257 The Wages of Sin is death! All of Adams descendants >>US<< are corrupted born into a corrupted world! All of Adams children are NOT perfect.. YOU...

Polymath257
you cannot make anything perfectly using corrupted material! Man needed another perfect man to fix what the first perfect man corrupted... But.. All are born corrupted! It was very sad; Man was stuck between a rock and a hand spot; Needing a perfect man and none can be born.. THAT...

Polymath257 that is until God himself stepped in to fix the problem! God is Perfect.. None others! God came to fix what we could not.. God became part of his own creation! Jesus the second perfect man died but death could not hold him in the grave.. The Wages of Sin is death! Jesus rose out of the grave NEVER...

Polymath257
never to die again! No one can die twice! What we have to do is get IMMERSED into the risen; Can't Die body of Jesus!
All baptized are immersed into the Body of Jesus! As long as you stay united to Jesus you also will rise to new life! Jesus died all die because we all live in a corrupted world.... New life is in the Garden the very place Adam the first perfect man was kicked out of!
 

Polymath257

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Polymath257 thank you for your post...
When God first created the earth it was created Perfectly! Logic alone says: If God did anything less then perfect he would not be perfect thus NOT God! God created Adam... Perfectly....
This perfect man freely decided to sin!
Which means either he wasn't perfect OR sinning was part of the plan.

With the free choice God gave man Adam sinned! Adam "The Perfect Man" brought corruption and death into God' perfect creation!

Except this is NOT what the story in the Bible actually says.

Eve ate from the fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam ate after her. That is what gave them the knowledge of the difference between good and evil. So they should not be held repsonsible for that error: they did not know they were doing wrong in that story!

Second, clearly God knew that they would do this (or else is he not all-knowing). If God is also all-powerful, that means he was able to avoid that. Since it was NOT avoided, that means he chose not to, which makes the God of Genesis evil.

The 'perfect' creation did exactly what he claimed to not want. Either that shows it was not perfect or it shows he wanted sin to come into the world.

Polymath257
The Wages of Sin is death! All of Adams descendants >>US<< are corrupted born into a corrupted world! All of Adams children are NOT perfect.. YOU...

Again, that seems evil. To hold people who had no choice in the matter responsible for one individual is wrong.

Why give my support to an evil being (even if I believed the story in the first place)?

Polymath257
you cannot make anything perfectly using corrupted material! Man needed another perfect man to fix what the first perfect man corrupted... But.. All are born corrupted! It was very sad; Man was stuck between a rock and a hand spot; Needing a perfect man and none can be born.. THAT...

Polymath257 that is until God himself stepped in to fix the problem! God is Perfect.. None others! God came to fix what we could not.. God became part of his own creation! Jesus the second perfect man died but death could not hold him in the grave.. The Wages of Sin is death! Jesus rose out of the grave NEVER...

But the problem wouldn't even exist if God chose to make creation better. The fact that there was a 'fix' showed that he *could* have done better.

Also, don't forget that this is God forgiving people by sacrificing himself, knowing he couldn't really die, for a transgression not done by the people involved, whose punishment is dictacted by the same being that decided to do this strange ritual to forgive people.

Polymath257
never to die again! No one can die twice! What we have to do is get IMMERSED into the risen; Can't Die body of Jesus!
All baptized are immersed into the Body of Jesus! As long as you stay united to Jesus you also will rise to new life! Jesus died all die because we all live in a corrupted world.... New life is in the Garden the very place Adam the first perfect man was kicked out of!

A nice story, full of archetypal characters, but let's face it, not even close to anything people would believe in except if told in a religious book.

It seems to me a nice myth, along with many other myths of the ancient world, but far from being believable.
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
You as a Catholic may believe that Jesus created the world, but non-Christians don't agree. To me as a Jew, the idea that God is a man is unthinkable.
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Elizabeth was a Jew! Her husband Zechariah was a High Priest! They believed Jesus was God! ALL
IndigoChild5559
all Jews believe in ONE God! Never would Elizabeth believe anything differently she was a Jew!
Luke 1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Question who is Elizabeth' Lord!?

Matthew 1:23 The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
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Premium Member
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Polymath257 Do you believe in Ghosts! THROUGHOUT....


No, I neither believe in ghosts, nor a non-material soul.

Polymath257 throughout the history man from the caveman up to today man has believed in Spirits! Example; the North American Indian believed in "The Great White Spirit"!

People were often wrong about things.

Jesus rose glorified!
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

Jesus died he can not die a second time... THINK..


He was (supposedly) God, so he could do anything, right?

Polymath257 think; you can not even kill a stinking, no good for nut in, mangy dog two times! To each; man is allotted only ONE (1) death! Jesus has been there and done that NEVER...

Polymath257
never ever to die again! What you have to do IF....... If you want to live for eternity is get your ssa IMMERSED into the resurrected never to die a second time body of Jesus! Finding yourself IN the risen Body of Jesus is to LIVE FOREVER!

Nice story. Why would anyone believe in it?
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member

No, I neither believe in ghosts, nor a non-material soul.
People were often wrong about things.
He was (supposedly) God, so he could do anything, right?
Nice story. Why would anyone believe in it?

Polymath257 Thousands of Christians went to the grave "Martyred" believing in it! Jesus rose from the dead over One Billion people today believe this nice story; never mind the billions that have accepted it for the past Two Thousand years!
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
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Premium Member
Polymath257 Thousands of Christians went to the grave "Martyred" believing in it! Jesus rose from the dead over One Billion people today believe this nice story; never mind the billions that have accepted it for the past Two Thousand years!

Yes, people die for many causes that they believe in. That doesn't make the causes right.

Also, truth is not decided by popularity. It is decided by evidence and reason. Most people before recently, for example, have been wrong in thinking the Earth to be flat.

So, no, I do not 'mind' that billions have believed this any more than I 'mind' that billions have believed in Islam or that most people 2000 years ago were pagan.

You have still not given good reasons to believe this story. All you have done is said that many have believed it in the past. So?
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
Yes, people die for many causes that they believe in. That doesn't make the causes right.

Also, truth is not decided by popularity. It is decided by evidence and reason. Most people before recently, for example, have been wrong in thinking the Earth to be flat.

So, no, I do not 'mind' that billions have believed this any more than I 'mind' that billions have believed in Islam or that most people 2000 years ago were pagan.

You have still not given good reasons to believe this story. All you have done is said that many have believed it in the past. So?
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Truth is these people believed in life after death so much so that they were willing to die for their belief!
How many would do that if they did not believe it to be TRUE!
Right you are numbers do not make it true... BUT it does prove their are others thinking differently then you! You have giving up setting your mind without honest investigation to discover truth!

Miracles are an indicator to something other then what you see! You don't believe in Ghosts again you are in the minority....
Logic says... There is truth why have you not looked deeper?
 
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