Jesus never says to worship 'Yahweh'

[Deeje]

Why are we fighting over a name, surely the issue is "who is he to you and in your life"

Or more importantly...who he isn't.

If the devil can get you to worship the wrong god...then the consequences are dire.

 

[oldbadger]

Jesus never says to worship 'Yahweh'

This word is presumably translated as 'Lord'

In the English Bible, but with so many christians claiming that they should be worshipping 'Yahweh', or that they worship 'Yahweh', where does Jesus ever say to worship 'Yahweh '?

What do you think of the Lord'#s prayer?

 

[oldbadger]

What about it?

Well, it starts, 'our Father',

Is that what you mean?
Whats the context of your question?

Our Father, who art in Heaven, Hallowed be thy name.......

Surely Jesus has told his followers to pray to the Lord?

That's what I meant, and the context of my question was the thread title.

 

[74x12]

How would you interpret this verse?
Colossians 3:17
'God, and the Father by Him'

Jesus (the Son) manifests God. So when you do things in the name of the Lord Jesus it's to the glory and honor of God and the Father. Because Jesus is what He(God the Father) has shown us of Himself.

Just like in Philippians 2:11 when you say that Jesus is Lord it glorifies the Father; rather than "God the Son 2nd person of the trinity". That's because Jesus is not just manifesting only one person of the trinity. He's manifesting all of God.

Look what 1 Timothy 6:14-16 is telling us. Jesus shows us the One we may not see because He dwells in unapproachable Light, whom no man has seen, nor can see. This is because Jesus is God manifest and so in Himself shows us the One we may not otherwise see.


1 Timothy 6:14-16 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

If you want to know the difference between the Son of God and God it's that the Son is revealed in human form. So bodily He is created (Hebrews 10:5) but His Spirit is God. (Isaiah 9:6) Thus He is the One who is the "express image" of God's person. (Hebrews 1:3) I believe God wanted us to know His true image; rather than worshiping man-made images; which are idols!

John 14:8-10
Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

 

[Deeje]

I would personally interpret the Lords prayer, as referring to YHWH, Jehovah, if that's what you mean.

Let me get this straight......
So was Jesus saying "Our Father (Yahweh) who art in heaven (as opposed to Jesus who is on earth) hallowed be thy (not my) name.....?

 

[Deeje]

Some weird things happening on the forum today....Can't get rid of the dreaded X

 

[Deeje]

Our Father, who art in Heaven, Hallowed be thy name.......

Surely Jesus has told his followers to pray to the Lord?

That's what I meant, and the context of my question was the thread title.

You responded....

I would personally interpret the Lords prayer, as referring to JHVH, Jehovah, if that's what you mean.

So was Jesus saying "Our Father (Yahweh) who art in heaven (as opposed to Jesus who is on earth) hallowed be thy (not my) name.....?

Jesus is teaching his disciples to pray to the same God that he did...the Father. How is that not obvious?

 

[Desert Snake]

Surely Jesus has told his followers to pray to the Lord?

Jesus adherents can pray to the Son, or the Father

 

[Desert Snake]

Jesus (the Son) manifests God. So when you do things in the name of the Lord Jesus it's to the glory and honor of God and the Father. Because Jesus is what He(God the Father) has shown us of Himself.

Just like in Philippians 2:11 when you say that Jesus is Lord it glorifies the Father; rather than "God the Son 2nd person of the trinity". That's because Jesus is not just manifesting only one person of the trinity. He's manifesting all of God.

Look what 1 Timothy 6:14-16 is telling us. Jesus shows us the One we may not see because He dwells in unapproachable Light, whom no man has seen, nor can see. This is because Jesus is God manifest and so in Himself shows us the One we may not otherwise see.


1 Timothy 6:14-16 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

If you want to know the difference between the Son of God and God it's that the Son is revealed in human form. So bodily He is created (Hebrews 10:5) but His Spirit is God. (Isaiah 9:6) Thus He is the One who is the "express image" of God's person. (Hebrews 1:3) I believe God wanted us to know His true image; rather than worshiping man-made images; which are idols!

John 14:8-10
Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Ok

 

[Desert Snake]

What do you think of the Lord'#s prayer?

It should be noted that the Lords prayer, actually does not use a

specific name.

 

[wizanda]

How then, does Stephen see Jesus at the right hand of God if he is God YHWH

Because God (El Elyon) is the Source of reality, and Yeshua is an Arch Angel (Elohim) who sits right of the Throne.

Unlike an avatar, Jesus had free choice.

Avatars have free choice, they have human bodies with a part of the divine within them.

Whereas, the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) stands for God's personal name.

This is the same belief Judaism had after the Babylonian Exile; yet as Yeshua pointed out they didn't know his father (Matthew 11:27); which means it is not YHVH (Lord To Be), it is EL Elyon who is the God Most High (Luke 1:32).

Plus God doesn't have a personal name, as in which language is that name right; God is all names, all sounds, as it is the Source of reality.

Yahweh is an acceptable Hebrew pronunciation

Nope it is a modern Hebrew rendition of it, and personally would say it is swearing, and saying Lord of Destruction (H1942), instead of Lord To Be (H1933 H1934).

It should be noted that the Lords prayer, actually does not use a

specific name.

It doesn't yet Yeshua and Gabriel did (Luke 1:32), and other sticking with Rabbinic Judaism's ideas that are not contextually correct is missing the facts...

Matthew 27:46 Yeshua who was the Right Arm of YHVH called his father EL singular, not Elohim...

If he wanted to use the modern confused interpretation of Hebrew, he would have said Elohi, not Eli.

If Judaism of that time period did not know his father (Matthew 11:27), just as they still don't today...

Then that means El Elyon is his father, as they still claim YHVH Elohim is the same as the God Most High; not having any first hand experience, and just making it up based on faulty exegesis.

Luke 6:35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing back; and your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High; for he is kind toward the unthankful and evil.

In my opinion.

 

[oldbadger]

So was Jesus saying "Our Father (Yahweh) who art in heaven (as opposed to Jesus who is on earth) hallowed be thy (not my) name.....?

Jesus is teaching his disciples to pray to the same God that he did...the Father. How is that not obvious?

Absolutely.....

Jesus advised on how his followers could pray to their Lord, and this was also Jesus's Lord. It was all quite clear, I think.

 

[oldbadger]

Jesus adherents can pray to the Son, or the Father

Well..... that's not what he advised his followers.....
He showed them how best to pray to their Lord. It's all there, written down.....

 

[oldbadger]

It should be noted that the Lords prayer, actually does not use a

specific name.

Yes it does......... Only one Father in Heaven would be described as a 'Hallowed Name'.

Jesus was showing how to pray to the Lord, his Lord. It's all there.....

 

[Desert Snake]

Well..... that's not what he advised his followers.....

Nonsense.

Yes it does......... Only one Father in Heaven would be described as a 'Hallowed Name'.

Jesus was showing how to pray to the Lord, his Lord. It's all there.....

...pretty sure you didn't read through the comments, or something

 

[Trackdayguy]

These weren't the words of Jesus they were the words of others up to 60 years after he died.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus never said to worship any god with a name. Father is not a name.He wanted people to worship the name he taught, over what the Jews were seeing and worshiping.

He called their (concept of) father the devil. John 8:44-49

I agree. Jesus was a Jew and believed and taught "what the Jews were seeing and worshiping."
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

It's a theology thing, I believe. The Father & the Son, are the same God.

No, I believe it is a wrong concept.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

How then, does Stephen see Jesus at the right hand of God if he is God YHWH

I believe that it is not physical, it is metaphoric.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus called the entity that the priests worshiped was the devil not YHWH. YHWH described in the exodus and through out the Hebrew Scriptures desires righteousness and Jesus pointed out the those who attacked him verbally were not righteous but legalistic and sinful. The people that gravitated to Jesus and John the Baptist worshiped YHWH and heard Him in Jesus's words.

I agree with the above interpretation.
Regards