Jesus never says to worship 'Yahweh'

[Phantasman]

I find there is a BIG difference between murder and an execution of the sake of justice for the righteous ones.

At John 8:44 I find Jesus exposes Satan as a liar. Satan was a murderer from the beginning of his going bad.

Not a very good view of heaven, angels going bad. That would mean it's not perfect as Jesus claimed.

I accept the gnostic view of the Demiurge. It was a mistake created by another without the perfection of the perfect Father and it's creator enclosed it in it's own Aeon. It created us to be god over, and the perfect Father is allowing us to be free of it. The Demiurge created the imperfect (physical) universe within it's own Aeon. The Father(which is still in perfect heaven is offering us perfection in spirit. This was Christs message. The spirit makes us alive, the flesh profits nothing. John 6:63.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How would you interpret this verse?
Colossians 3:17
'God, and the Father by Him'

17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

If jesus were god, it would be rephrased like this:

And whosever ye do in word or deed, do all for the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to him, god, the father.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Some weird things happening on the forum today....Can't get rid of the dreaded X

How did you post it?

Can't do it direct anymore

 

[74x12]

17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

If jesus were god, it would be rephrased like this:

And whosever ye do in word or deed, do all for the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to him, god, the father.

It makes perfect sense if Jesus is God manifest. Jesus is the appearance of God. So when you do things in His name it glorifies the unseeable God.

Basically what was intangible became tangible to give us a way to know and understand Him better than before.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Jesus called the entity that the priests worshiped was the devil not YHWH.

Yeah but we have to remember that calling people we don't like devils is a pretty common thing. We must take care not to confuse insults with theological reality.

Jesus pointed out the those who attacked him verbally were not righteous but legalistic and sinful

The problem is they had some valid points sometimes. Also, Jesus going around riling people up contributed to Roman crackdowns, which wasn't helping matters. While legalism is a problem (one that Christianity quickly latched onto), we must not forget the critics were human beings going through human drama. Automatically poo-pooing their concerns is how we ended up with our current president, after all.

Until then, they were dead and "Yahweh" couldn't even save them.

That's a pretty weak/stupid God, then.

The Jews never had it, nor does it appear in their teachings of books.

The NT also has lots of problems, which is weird since it's supposed to be a much better sequel.

The Lord in some lower-case letters stands for the Lord Jesus

Not really. Any lord can be a lord. They call him Lord Farquad but that doesn't make him anything but a human with a certain title.

Jesus said the devil was a liar from the beginning.

Which makes Jesus a liar because there is no scene in which Satan appears where he lies to anyone. Sure, he's a jerk, but at most it can be said he just airs out your dirty laundry.

The Jews followed a god, who Moses says to not murder, and then murdered.

Moses was a murderer as well. That's how he ended up on the run in the first place. He was a religious terrorist.

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, andsisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Because he has some Freudian family issues. Lots of rules in the bible come off as rules from a guy who had an axe to grind. Unless there's abuse, I don't think this rule is very moral. How can Jesus teach us to be compassionate to others and then encourage hatred towards family? Where did that compassion go?

If someone asked you who your father was how would you reply.

One guy's sperm met with my mother's egg. My maternal grandfather did more fathering than my father ever did.

I find there is a BIG difference between murder and an execution of the sake of justice for the righteous ones.

So do I. The catch is that the person has to be an actual threat. That's where we screw up a lot of the time.

What about the widows son he raised through Isaiah?

I think you're thinking of Elijah. The wording of the miracle is such that it's possible he used mouth-to-mouth. I mean, it says the kid couldn't breathe, not that his heart stopped or he was decomposing or anything.

What about Jesus appearing with Moses and Elijah.

We're dealing with the word of a couple of guys who had been sleeping.

 

[Phantasman]

The whole thing comes down to the division of flesh and spirit (sword).

Parent? Release flesh ones for spiritual ones.

Gods? Release one of flesh for one of spirit.

Law? Release commandments of flesh for commandments of spirit.

John 6:63

 

[Desert Snake]

17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

If jesus were god, it would be rephrased like this:

And whosever ye do in word or deed, do all for the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to him, god, the father.

No it wouldn't.

And it doesn't.

You're using your own words instead of how the triune actually is.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No it wouldn't.

How not?

Its easier to address the inaccuracy of my posts and verses so I wont repeat myself address yours.

 

[Desert Snake]

How not?

Its easier to address the inaccuracy of my posts and verses so I wont repeat myself address yours.

You are using the word 'God', in your explanation, where you should be using the word or name 'Father'.
Because God can refer to the Father, or Jesus, or both, at the same time. If you are using all three names, then 'God', has a different meaning, from just the Father...it doesn't mean, just the father, there.

Father & Son are different, however they are both God.

 

[Deeje]

How did you post it?

Can't do it direct anymore

I have been having problems with Google images lately as have others. But this one was especially weird because no matter what I did this "X" could not be deleted....most peculiar...something has changed.

 

[Deeje]

These weren't the words of Jesus they were the words of others up to 60 years after he died.

Are you referring to the Lord's Prayer?

Who told you that these weren't Jesus' words? Aren't you relying on the words of others thousands of years after Jesus died?

Christians believe that the Bible is inspired of God so unless you believe that, what is the point of reading it? Why even acknowledge Jesus, or anything he taught, if you can ignore what he said when you find it inconvenient?

 

[Trackdayguy]

Are you referring to the Lord's Prayer?

Who told you that these weren't Jesus' words? Aren't you relying on the words of others thousands of years after Jesus died?

Christians believe that the Bible is inspired of God so unless you believe that, what is the point of reading it? Why even acknowledge Jesus, or anything he taught, if you can ignore what he said when you find it inconvenient?

I respect your position, but I dont believe the Bible is Gods word.

Jesus never wrote anything down, so the only record we have of what he MIGHT have said are from others the words in red in the Bible aren't his words there the words that others who wrote about him some 50 years after his death.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You are using the word 'God', in your explanation, where you should be using the word or name 'Father'.
Because God can refer to the Father, or Jesus, or both, at the same time. If you are using all three names, then 'God', has a different meaning, from just the Father...it doesn't mean, just the father, there.

Father & Son are different, however they are both God.

I tried using creator, savior, and spirit. It will relieve the issue of whose god, yaweh, and father.

The creator isnt the savior nor spirit. All three are not the same people. Their roles/activities/persona are extremely different. What makes the trinity is not their same nature (being, human, spirit); they have not. Itd creator, savior, and spirit relationship to each other.

The creator sent the savior. From the savior after his crucifiction came the spirit. The spirit came into those who wished to be born again. As a result, they became crucified in the saviors passion. They looked to him as lord (an authority) because the savior is the way to the creator. Without the savior, there is no union with the creator (christianity).

Trinity means relationship between three things/ideas etc into one unit. They are not each other but one unit together.

The creator, savior, and spirit is those "persons" (not human beings) that make up that unit. That is why its called a trinity. The bible sets it up that way even though it doesnt use the english word for it.

You would need to prove from scripture that

1. There is no relationship between creator, savior, and spirit

2. They are the same in nature and function (meaning no trinity)

(Edit) You'd also have to find in scripture were the savior says he Is, not with, the creator. You also have to show a creator, if a savior, can be born of a human without being a human (not the creator) himself.

Then you have to explain if the creator is the savior, who is the incarnation when their natures are the same

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I have been having problems with Google images lately as have others. But this one was especially weird because no matter what I did this "X" could not be deleted....most peculiar...something has changed.

When I used google images before, it gave an option to copy link text so you wouldnt need to save it to upload it. What I did was downloaded the saved image on RF, chose the thumbnail option, and it post perfect. Now, if you just put the link, it doesnt work automatically anymore.

Try that way and see if it works

 

[Trackdayguy]

It seems we have folks on this post asking questions like:

How much of the Bible do you consider false? Do you consider the Gospels real?

To answer the question I need to know what is the opposite of false, I'm assuming you would say true. If Im understanding you correctly are you referring to literally true?

 

[EtuMalku]

Jesus never says to worship 'Yahweh'

This word is presumably translated as 'Lord'

In the English Bible, but with so many christians claiming that they should be worshipping 'Yahweh', or that they worship 'Yahweh', where does Jesus ever say to worship 'Yahweh '?

Maybe all the verses where Yeshua says to worship Yahweh were edited out of the final draft?

 

[74x12]

It seems we have folks on this post asking questions like:

How much of the Bible do you consider false? Do you consider the Gospels real?

To answer the question I need to know what is the opposite of false, I'm assuming you would say true. If Im understanding you correctly are you referring to literally true?

Have you ever asked God?

 

[Trackdayguy]

Have you ever asked God?

What

 

[74x12]

What

Which scriptures are true.

 

[Trackdayguy]

Which scriptures are true.

Please define true