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Ok. Sin does not necessarily mean we die a spiritual death. For several reasons. Do you know of anyone alive beyond let's say 16 years old that has not sinned, that's an arbitrary figure not speaking of major sins such as: murder or rape, but lesser things. I'm also not speaking of someone in a coma. But if you don't believe the Bible then you truly must believe we die because?? Why?
So far I have not seen a dog produce anything but a dog unless he interbreeds perhaps with something like a wolf. Anyway they both die. Humans were meant to live without dying.
I gather you don't believe the scriptures. How did you come to all those conclusions?
Ezekiel doesn't say the father or son won't commit their own sins. They absolutely will according to the scriptures I quoted. Not so difficult to understand.
I think you may have read Acts a bit to fast.
You can be a lot of help. I said it is contradictory. Do we have responsibility for our parents sin or not? Do we bear Adam's sins or not?
Spiritual death is the result of sin. Our own sin. Not Adam's sin. But if those sins are forgiven we will not die spiritual but have eternal spiritual life.
The dog part was just a jab at science. Humans have two parts. A physical body and a non physical spirit. Both CAN die. It does not matter what man was meant to do. We all die physically. Those who sin are sentenced to spiritual death. But Christ can forgive those sins and remove the death penalty.
Maybe it would be easier for you to tell me what part of it is wrong. Are you responsible for you own sin or are you forced to sin because Adam sinned. Sounds like a poor excuse to me.
I already said it. You have other ideas. That's fine. I don't want to argue. I just wondered where you get your ideas. I get mine from the scriptures.
You are correct in saying nobody ever said water baptism was a mistake or something bad. I myself specifically said nothing was wrong with it, that it won't hurt anything. I did say holy spirit replaced baptism. I used the following two verses as proof texts.
And, I might add two things: I don't think the Ethiopian eunuch was under a mistaken notion when he wanted to get baptized in water, and Jesus set the pace (for righteousness). He said he is the way, and the life. Water baptism seems right now to be following his pattern. He had nothing to repent for, but he got baptized. His baptism was making a profound statement. His ministry after that did not last very long -- 3-1/2 years if I remember correctly. From his baptism on until his death.
We inherit sin and death from Adam. It's in our psyche and that is also connected with our dna. A infant can't hold to righteousness because as the scriptures indicate, it doesn't know right from left until -- it's taught. This does not mean, however, that the child is not prone to sin as it grows up and begins 'thinking.' I can't remember anything that happened in my mother's womb, or the crib. Maybe some can remember something from their first 6 months, I doubt it, however.
Do you understand that the book of Acts was a transition between the OT and the NT? The day of Pentecost brought about an incredibly radical change. Would it be reasonable to assume the Jews, who had practiced their faith for some 3,000 years should instantly change? Of course not. It took time and that time is what the book of Acts covers.
Jesus got baptized. He was perfect. His baptism meant something. It didn't mean repentance. He totally immersed himself in water. Obviously people who lived and died before Christ were not able to get baptized in Jesus name.
In whose name was Jesus baptised?
