Jesus - Son of Adam?

[nPeace]

i do not follow K. i respect its knowledge, if i knew original language i would have...

Today, it is not that difficult to get an understanding of the language the scriptures are written in. If you want a good interlinear, you just have to find good Bible students.

 

[leov]

Thanks.
I think the Bible is not so complicated, until one tries to interpret every line as something other than what they read.
In my opinion, that is no different to saying, the Bible is written in code, and each person has a different key to unlock it.
No. To me,the Bible can be understood by everyone willing to listen.
That's why I especially like Jesus' words at Matthew 13:11-16.

What's the difference between Kabbalist, and modern scholars, in your opinion?

i think that bible is multi spiritual level teaching book, but it structured in a way of evolution of consciousness which outlined in 1Cor 13. From looking like through dark dim glass to perfect understanding though knowledge ( Gnosis).

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus - Son of Adam?

Yes, Jesus was son of Mary from the progeny of Adam. Jesus was not god or son of god in literal and physical terms.

And it demonstrates Paul's-Pagan-Christianity wrong. Right, please?

Regards
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[6:101]وَ جَعَلُوۡا لِلّٰہِ شُرَکَآءَ الۡجِنَّ وَ خَلَقَہُمۡ وَ خَرَقُوۡا لَہٗ بَنِیۡنَ وَ بَنٰتٍۭ بِغَیۡرِ عِلۡمٍ ؕ سُبۡحٰنَہٗ وَ تَعٰلٰی عَمَّا یَصِفُوۡنَ ﴿۱۰۱﴾٪
And they hold the Jinn to be partners with Allah, although He created them; and they falsely ascribe to Him sons and daughters without any knowledge. Holy is He and exalted far above what they attribute to Him!
[6:102]بَدِیۡعُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ اَنّٰی یَکُوۡنُ لَہٗ وَلَدٌ وَّ لَمۡ تَکُنۡ لَّہٗ صَاحِبَۃٌ ؕ وَ خَلَقَ کُلَّ شَیۡءٍ ۚ وَ ہُوَ بِکُلِّ شَیۡءٍ عَلِیۡمٌ ﴿۱۰۲﴾
The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a son when He has no consort, and when He has created everything and has knowledge of all things?
[6:103]ذٰلِکُمُ اللّٰہُ رَبُّکُمۡ ۚ لَاۤ اِلٰہَ اِلَّا ہُوَ ۚ خَالِقُ کُلِّ شَیۡءٍ فَاعۡبُدُوۡہُ ۚ وَ ہُوَ عَلٰی کُلِّ شَیۡءٍ وَّکِیۡلٌ ﴿۱۰۳﴾
Such is Allah, your Lord. There is no God but He, the Creator of all things, so worship Him. And He is Guardian over everything.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 6: Al-An`am

 

[Tumah]

Eve was separated from Adam. Before that Adam named animals as he was looking for physical body to settle in. I guess he liked animal cal!ed man. That is what Nachmanides said.

Do you have a source for this? I did not see it in either of Nachmanides commentaries on the two verses it's mentioned.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Yes, there will be no more Adams, after Christ. Stated correctly, Jesus is the last Adam.
He is also the second. Not so?
What if you met a child, say seven, or eight years of age, who said that to you, what would be your response to them?
I would commend the child, It is correct.

First, second, third, forth...
After first is second, correct?
Last means nothing after, correct?
So we know that we don't count past the second, because the second is the last. Correct?

Please go to the second house on entering Workman Street.
But sir, this is the last house.
How did you know I meant the last house?
Sir, because you said the second house, and the second house is the last house.
Oh. Perhaps I should have said, 'Please go to the last house on entering Workman Street'.

Glad to see you are sticking to what is written though. The scriptures say 'last Adam'.
You said, God the son. I believe you also believe there is God the Holy Spirit.
I don't see these written in scripture, so using your argument, would you accept that there is no God the Holy Spirit?

In our method of numbering it is correct to call Christ the second adam. But God is not interested in our method. He is calling Christ the Last Adam because, as you say, there will never be another representing the human race. If we call Him the second adam, we imply that there will be more. And God is being clear that there won't be.

If you want to use the term 'second' then you rightfully use it on Christ Who is the 'Second Man'. Now explain that math to me. Because Christ was not the second man in the normal method of counting. Cain was. So, how is Christ the Second Man? It has nothing to do with Him being the Last Adam. That is already established.

I do hold to the Trinity, God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[JJ50]

Jesus was the son of Joseph or some other human guy that Mary had it off with before she married. Adam, if he had existed, would have been long dead.

 

[Kenny]

Good point.
Actually I was thinking about Abel's offer to God. He certainly knew something about the results of his dad's disobedience.

Also, the atonement sacrifices certainly show that man needed a redeemer and savior. Those had meaning, and as you said, the scriptures reveal that sin was the reason.

So true...

I think that when God clothed Adam and Eve with skins (the first atonement sacrifice after the promise of the Messiah) - it was a lamb. IMV, that is what Adam used to teach his children the need of forgiveness from God and the pointing towards Him who was to come.

 

[Kenny]

Cells repair themselves.
Scientists can't figure out why there is an apparent "death timer".
You also probably heard of the immortal... is it octopus? I don't recall.
No magic needed.

Turritopsis nutricula jellyfish

 

[Kenny]

Jesus was the son of Joseph or some other human guy that Mary had it off with before she married. Adam, if he had existed, would have been long dead.

He was the adopted dad...

 

[JJ50]

He was the adopted dad...

You have no evidence to substantiate that statement.

 

[Kenny]

The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a son when He has no consort, and when He has created everything and has knowledge of all things?

The same way He created animals out of nothing.

The Arch-Angel Gabriel understood this when he said
Luke 1:37 [Full Chapter]
"For with God nothing shall be impossible."

 

[Kenny]

You have no evidence to substantiate that statement.

I accept the statement of Mary as true when she asked Gabriel, "How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?"

 

[JJ50]

The same way He created animals out of nothing.

The Arch-Angel Gabriel understood this when he said
Luke 1:37 [Full Chapter]
"For with God nothing shall be impossible."

There is no evidence any god exists. The Bible is a very human creation, the writers stretches their imaginations to the limit, imo.

 

[Desert Snake]

He was the adopted dad...

In your beliefs, is it a man, on a cross, or a god?

 

[JJ50]

I accept the statement of Mary as true when she asked Gabriel, "How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?"

Yeh right!

 

[Desert Snake]

Matthew 22:37-46

[ jesus is already saying He is Lord,

Mark 11:8-10

 

[Kenny]

There is no evidence any god exists. The Bible is a very human creation, the writers stretches their imaginations to the limit, imo.

Yes, Paul admits to the two positions when he said, "18 For people who are stumbling toward ruin, the message of the cross is nothing but a tall tale for fools by a fool. But for those of us who are already experiencing the reality of being rescued and made right, it is nothing short of God’s power."

There is room for both viewpoints.

 

[Kenny]

In your beliefs, is it a man, on a cross, or a god?

As The Word, he was 100% God. On the cross he was 100% man.

 

[Desert Snake]

As The Word, he was 100% God. On the cross he was 100% man.

Ok, besides the sacrifice aspect, which I don't believe necessitates the 'all human' idea, when did He start being human, before the crucifixion?

 

[Kenny]

Ok, besides the sacrifice aspect, which I don't believe necessitates the 'all human' idea, when did He start being human, before the crucifixion?

When Mary received the spoken word of God through Gabriel.