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Jesus, Son of God

Madhuri

RF Goddess
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Wow I never heard of that question before and Sadly I'm not sure how to answer that, but I'll give it a shot. I would say that there is only one true spirit and that is Jesus. God in the old testament was an Spirit and if you saw the spirit while you was alive you would die. Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost is still the same spirit that was God in the old testament, but through Jesus's death and ressurections this Spirit can come into our bodies and be seen without killing us.

The problem with this answer is that you are stting that Jesus is spirit and that God was manifest as Spirit but you have not explained what Spirit is. Doesn't the Bible give some explanation?
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
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There is a point of pressure and temperature called, appropriately enough, the triple point, where a substance, such as H2O, can exists in seperate states at the same time...

So think of a mass of H20 that is water, ice, and vapor at the same time. Flawed in several places, but gets the idea across...

Or an Artifical Intelligence program on a ship, there is a source computer that sends out the program to a robot, and to the ship's computer system. If we call this program Bob, you have Bob the source computer, Bob the robot, and Bob the ship's computer. All are unique instances of the shared program. Each is fully Bob, but is not the other two Bobs.

Those are the two best I could come up with...

God exists as three Hypostases, or persons, and as one Ousia, or being/substance...

That definitely helped :)

What I am still curious about is how or why there is a father/son relationship to this Being, especially when there is no Mother aspect.
 

Thesavorofpan

Is not going to save you.
The problem with this answer is that you are stting that Jesus is spirit and that God was manifest as Spirit but you have not explained what Spirit is. Doesn't the Bible give some explanation?

I'm sorry that I didn't answer your question, but to my knowledge it doesn't.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
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Premium Member
Madhuri, I want you to read 1 Timothy Chapter 2 Verse 5, which I shall post for anyone else to read:

Paul also affirms in his Epistle to the Romans, chapter 1 verses 1-4, that Jesus is a living biological (flesh and blood) descendant of Joseph, who is a descendant of King David--hence the title "Son of David" given. Above we see that Christ is an Intermediary (i.e. "Mediator"), which in the Baha'i Faith theology is firmly established as a Manifestation of God. Therefore Jesus cannot literally be "God in the flesh":no:, as the New Testament tells us explicitly that He is an Intermediary nor does Paul's epistles or any of the Gospels say contrary. Christians have for centuries battled over understanding the Divinity of Jesus Christ in relation to the Godhead and have wrongly attributed godhood to a creation (yes, He is a creation) of God! Another fascinating connection I wanted to give you kudos (or is it frubals here? lol) for your association of the Holy Spirit with the Feminine Principle as a Quality and Attribute of God;), and this would be correct, as in Baha'i theology we are fully aware of the "Maid of Heaven" (also pluralized as the "Maids of Paradise" or Heaven) and She embodied or symbolized the Spirit of God.
Prophets, Messengers and Manifestations of God

The Baha'i understanding is defintiely closer to the Hindu concepts and thus easier for me to understand. I need to learn more about your religion. Thank you for your response :)
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
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Premium Member
I would like to know that, but I don't think God thought it was really need so he didn't tell any of them to write it. Bummer.

Maybe a spirit is a soul.

This actually really surprises me considering how big a deal the Spirit is in your religion and the fact that it IS God. Based on what I have read or heard from other sources I would say that spirit and soul are somewhat different things...but I am not confident about that.

By the way, how would you describe the soul?
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
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Thesavorofpan

Is not going to save you.
This actually really surprises me considering how big a deal the Spirit is in your religion and the fact that it IS God. Based on what I have read or heard from other sources I would say that spirit and soul are somewhat different things...but I am not confident about that.

By the way, how would you describe the soul?

The only thing I can think of is its what God breathe into Adam and Eve when he created them.
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
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How can the Son be begotten if the son is eternal?
There is no time when Jesus was not begotten, no "before" Jesus... Jesus has always existed as the begotten Son and always will, thus eternal...
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
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There is no time when Jesus was not begotten, no "before" Jesus... Jesus has always existed as the begotten Son and always will, thus eternal...

But that doesn't make sense taken literally. Is there a different way to understand it?
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
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But that doesn't make sense taken literally. Is there a different way to understand it?
What does not make sense? The Son has always existed, and always will... that is what eternal means...
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Hey guys.....
If you have recited the Lord's prayer....with heart felt earnest....
You have declared yourself a Son of God.

The angels heard you when you said it ....so did the Devil.

Of Himself, Jesus did say....'brother and fellow servant'.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
What does not make sense? The Son has always existed, and always will... that is what eternal means...

Being eternal makes sense...but being Begotten seems like a contradiction. That is what I do not understand.
 

A-ManESL

Well-Known Member
Im really surprised to not find any thoroughly convincing answer. I think one needs to look at the concept of Trinity with reference to the relationship between God and man. It means that God exists as three kind of natures within one being in regard to His relationship with man.

God the Father had a kind of paternal relationship towards humanity, and that is why we are called His children. God the Son (i.e. Jesus on whom may be peace) was understood by Christians as God in human form. By being human and God simultaneously, he represented the hypostatic union which man should aspire for with God. That relationship is emphasized through him. The Holy Spirit represents the relationship which stems from the God-conciousness within every person.

I will be really interested in knowing whether this interpretation is correct or not from some knowledgable person here.

Regards.
 
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