Jesus, Son of God

[Thesavorofpan]

Consciousness? Intelligence? Life?
What were they like before God breathed into them? Did he also breath into animals?

That breathe of life probably did cause consciousness, Intelligence, Life, though I can't be for sure.

They where just animals. Both humans and animals where made from the dust of the earth, but once God breathe the breath of life into them they become human's with souls.

 

[Beta]

I have read this thread with interest
and I'm not really surprised at the confused understanding of it (as do all other threads). There is nothing more confusing and divisive than religion (perhaps politics ?)
I hope it comes to a satisfactory conclusion.

 

[Madhuri]

How so?

Because to be begotten means to be produced, generated, procreated etc.

If something is eternal, how can it be produced?

 

[Madhuri]

I have read this thread with interest
and I'm not really surprised at the confused understanding of it (as do all other threads). There is nothing more confusing and divisive than religion (perhaps politics ?)
I hope it comes to a satisfactory conclusion.

I am getting answers that must assume I already have a level of understanding about this concept. But I need to be explained in depth and as if I know nothing.

 

[Madhuri]

That breathe of life probably did cause consciousness, Intelligence, Life, though I can't be for sure.

They where just animals. Both humans and animals where made from the dust of the earth, but once God breathe the breath of life into them they become human's with souls.

ut it must be something else, because we know that animals have life and intelligence and consciousness.

 

[Madhuri]

I will be really interested in knowing whether this interpretation is correct or not from some knowledgable person here.

Regards.

Me too.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

Because to be begotten means to be produced, generated, procreated etc.

If something is eternal, how can it be produced?

You have just discovered the fatal flaw in the trinity.

 

[Madhuri]

You have just discovered the fatal flaw in the trinity.

You consider it a flaw? What are your personal views?

 

[Beta]

I am getting answers that must assume I already have a level of understanding about this concept. But I need to be explained in depth and as if I know nothing.

I respect your interest in wishing to learn and get some clarifications to your questions.
I see this topic has now evolved to a much wider circle than the OP intended and I'm now not sure what specific question you would like answered ?

 

[Lucian]

Christ is the first begotten of God and created. He is in perfect communion with God and as such he is the Son of God. The title describes the intimate relationship he has with his Father. He is the closest to God, and has never sinned.

We also become Sons of God through the Christ. We believe that he works as a mediator between us and God and helps us on our journey to become divine, that is to avoid sin and be in harmony with God and our fellows. The title used to be called especially of the judges of Israel, who held a sort of a divine kingship. King David is held as a prefigure to Jesus, ruling with God's authority. This co-rulership alongside Jesus is promised to Christians as well, those who are the builders of God's kingdom here on earth.

Everyone has a divine spark, they couldn't be alive without it, but not everyone walks in the fullness of the spirit. This spirit means the active force of God that influences the world. Spirit is also a term for what God is, a sort of a term for the power of life and love. The spirit is a helping force that aids us to act justly and do our duties, makes us stronger, and to love our fellows. It's very mystical term, and so is hard to express in words.

 

[Mister Emu]

Because to be begotten means to be... generated.

If something is eternal, how can it be [generated]?

Because it is generated eternally... If there is never a time when the Son was not, then the Son is eternal, and there is no such time.

 

[Thief]

Are we trying to affix the idea that Jesus IS the Son of God?
A definitive yes or no? and to what end?

If He is the Son of God, how can you go about proving it? DNA?
Even if your held the rusty nail, or the burial shroud, taking samples sufficient to perform the test....where do you get the paternal sample?
Begotten son of God?

A voice was heard at His baptism, claiming fatherly approval.
But I wasn't there. I didn't hear it. Can't add my say so here.

How about written testimony?
Well so far...that seems less than definitive.

Of Himself He did say...brother and fellow servant.
His word ain't good enough?
But if you claim association, should it not be likewise?
And having done so...son of God are you?

 

[Madhuri]

Thief, I am not so much asking if Jesus is the Son of God but rather what that actually means. It obviously cannot be taken in a literal way based on the human understanding. That is what I am trying to understand, from a Christian perspective.

 

[Madhuri]

Christ is the first begotten of God and created.

But everyone is saying that Jesus was not created. Are you saying he was?

 

[Madhuri]

Because it is generated eternally... If there is never a time when the Son was not, then the Son is eternal, and there is no such time.

How is the son 'generated eternally'? What does that mean?

 

[Madhuri]

I respect your interest in wishing to learn and get some clarifications to your questions.
I see this topic has now evolved to a much wider circle than the OP intended and I'm now not sure what specific question you would like answered ?

The question from the OP is still relevant. I am trying to ask in different ways to get the same answer

 

[gruggle10]

i've heard that there is a group of christian community which believed that,jesus is not son of god.is it true?

 

[Thief]

Thief, I am not so much asking if Jesus is the Son of God but rather what that actually means. It obviously cannot be taken in a literal way based on the human understanding. That is what I am trying to understand, from a Christian perspective.

So the actual question is...what does it mean to be a son of God?
Do you think it matters which son you ask about?

Christians lean on that 'begotten' theology.
But they cannot prove it. It is an article of faith.
Then a great many other articles are applied to compliment the first idea.
All is faith.

Ultimately, what matters?
As you stand before the Son of God, will you say as He did?...
'brother and fellow servant'.

Would He agree?

 

[Beta]

Thief, I am not so much asking if Jesus is the Son of God but rather what that actually means. It obviously cannot be taken in a literal way based on the human understanding. That is what I am trying to understand, from a Christian perspective.

Jesus is the Saviour of mankind . Luke 1v77, To give 'knowledge of salvation unto his people 'by the remission of their sins.
Jesus paid the sin-penalty (death) for man so we can enter eternal life IF we accept him as our Saviour.

 

[Lucian]

But everyone is saying that Jesus was not created. Are you saying he was?

Yes. I don't believe in the "generated eternally" idea.

i've heard that there is a group of christian community which believed that,jesus is not son of god.is it true?

I haven't heard of any Christian group that believes Jesus wasn't the Son of God.