Jesus: The Missing Years in the East

[Brickjectivity]

The link I provided I believe does state the purpose of his book.

Interesting. It seems just that it is full of questions about Paul. Oh, look it does say that the book 'Argues' that '[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Paul, not Jesus, was the founder of Christianity as a new religion' way, way down in chapter 2; but still the book doesn't Conclude it. It 'Puts forward a view' is all. [/FONT]M[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ost of what Paul writes can be interpreted consistently inside of Jesus teachings by just excludingpart of his letters. Macoby says right up front that he is beginning with the assumption that all of Paul's letters are accurate, and he knows that this could be a false assumption. He doesn't deal with the question of which letters are attributable to Paul. It isn't his goal to determine whether Paul's letters are pristine, which by extension means it isn't his goal to prove anything about Paul. He deals not with an actual, real person, but with the idealized Paul including all of the various additions and alterations to his letters.
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You do recall that Saul was busy hunting down the Nazarenes.

Yes, according to the stories in Acts there is mention of it.

 

[godnotgod]

[/FONT] Yes, according to the stories in Acts there is mention of it.

...and that the Nazarene doctrine forbade blood sacrifices or other related cruelties to humans, animals etc, and that it did not include the resurrection of the body or a virgin birth?

 

[Shermana]

...and that the Nazarene doctrine forbade blood sacrifices or other related cruelties to humans, animals etc, and that it did not include the resurrection of the body or a virgin birth?

Where do you get that it did not include resurrection of the body? I would think the Essenes believed in Reincarnation, and I can accept that many of them believed the animal sacrifices were false doctrines, but this does not appear to be standard view, but perhaps a view of a vocal fringe that came to overrepresent them. Unless of course you believe the DSS was not written by the Essenes:

The Essenes and the Dead Sea Scrolls | Compassionate Spirit

The classical Essenes, according to Josephus and Philo, rejected animal sacrifice. But we find numerous, frequent, and obvious statements about animal sacrifice in the Temple Scroll. “At the beginning of your months you shall offer a burnt offering to the Lord,” “they shall offer to the Lord the right thigh (of the ram),” “and on the second day, he shall sacrifice twelve bulls,” etc. etc. etc. This seems to be a reworking of the book of Deuteronomy on this and related subjects. There is no suggestion that there’s anything wrong in principle with animal sacrifice, quite the contrary.

“They shall atone for the guilt of transgression and the rebellion of sin, becoming an acceptable sacrifice for the land through the flesh of burnt offerings, the fat of sacrificial portions, and prayer, becoming — as it were — justice itself, a sweet savor of righteousness and blameless behavior, a pleasing freewill offering” (The Dead Sea Scrolls: A New Translation, p. 139).

Now indeed, many of the Ebionites rejected Animal sacrifice as well, but they were presumably at odds on several doctrinal points with the Nazarenes, and this may have only been a faction of them. But there is absolutely no defining rule that these particular Essenes and Ebionites represented the totality of the Nazarene beliefs whatsoever. I would say that these particular ones were simple a highly Pythagorean-ized sect of a sect.

But you are most likely right that the early Nazarenes had no conception of a Virgin birth.

 

[Brickjectivity]

...and that the Nazarene doctrine forbade blood sacrifices or other related cruelties to humans, animals etc, and that it did not include the resurrection of the body or a virgin birth?

? Not sure. I was just talking about the Christians and the orientation of temples etc.

 

[godnotgod]

Where do you get that it did not include resurrection of the body? I would think the Essenes believed in Reincarnation, and I can accept that many of them believed the animal sacrifices were false doctrines, but this does not appear to be standard view, but perhaps a view of a vocal fringe that came to overrepresent them. Unless of course you believe the DSS was not written by the Essenes:

The Essenes and the Dead Sea Scrolls | Compassionate Spirit





Now indeed, many of the Ebionites rejected Animal sacrifice as well, but they were presumably at odds on several doctrinal points with the Nazarenes, and this may have only been a faction of them. But there is absolutely no defining rule that these particular Essenes and Ebionites represented the totality of the Nazarene beliefs whatsoever. I would say that these particular ones were simple a highly Pythagorean-ized sect of a sect.

But you are most likely right that the early Nazarenes had no conception of a Virgin birth.

The mystical Nazorean Essene community at Mt.Carmel claim that Yeshu belonged to their sect, which forbade blood sacrifice. They only believed in spiritual resurrection, as I understand it, and not physical resurrection.

Yeshu was a Jewish mystic.

The Qumran Essenes were an apocalyptic sect.

I think the Mithraic mysteries contained a virgin birth doctrine, as well as did others.


see here:
http://www.thenazareneway.com/the_way_vs_the_church.htm

 

[godnotgod]

? Not sure. I was just talking about the Christians and the orientation of temples etc.

Right. If elements of Mithraism were adopted by Christianity, which would include blood sacrifice, virgin birth, and resurrection of the body, it also included the doctrine of Mithra as solar deity.

 

[Brickjectivity]

? I was just talking about the Christians and the orientation of temples etc. which had come from the orientation of the Jewish tabernacle.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I don't need your spam on this - I am familiar with the Codex.

An argument that the NT is unreliable - from this particular codex especially - is designed to challenge fundamentalist Christians' view that the NT is perfect. Clearly, it's abundantly obvious that the NT is not perfect. Duh. Thanks! You've achieved the most basic truth of biblical studies.

Congratulations for refusing to think! About anything!

Well done.

You have nothing more to do now other than spam stupid crap from the internet that affirms your uninformed bias! Wallow in stupidity, wrap yourself in it. Eat it. Vomit it, and eat it again.

Accomplish nothing.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

You do recall that Saul was busy hunting down the Nazarenes.

:biglaugh:

That is a childlike, comic spontaneity. If timing is everything, you knocked that one out of the park and around the world.

Only a person who - with a childlike honesty, knowing absolutely less than nothing about what he's talking about - could say something as profoundly stupid as this.

And for that, I salute you, sir. What a ******* riot.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

If this is what happens to the righteous, what will become of the wicked?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Right. If elements of Mithraism were adopted by Christianity, which would include blood sacrifice, virgin birth, and resurrection of the body, it also included the doctrine of Mithra as solar deity.

For more on Mithraism and Christianity, see Duck Jokes to Quack You Up!.

You'll learn a lot more there than you've dutifully gleaned from the joke websites you've posted so far. If you're going to spam stuff, it should at least serve some purpose.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

This one is outstanding - it's from Comedy Central - you can close your eyes and just pick a category.

For the love of God, spam something funny.

Funny Jokes | Joke Categories | Comedy Central

 

[angellous_evangellous]

There's also this guy. He has a shrine in my kids' nursery.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

And finally, spam this guy's work:

If anyone doesn't know who these demigods are, don't be shy to ask.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

If anyone doesn't know who these demigods are, don't be shy to ask.

Who in the holy stan lee's spiderman are these demigods, batman?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Who in the holy stan lee's spiderman are these demigods, batman?

Beautiful.

The first is Frank Miller, who wrote the Batman Returns series in the mid 1980s that the recent Batman series is based on. My all time favorite comic, the collection was published in a leather bound edition. Well, the Watchmen is far better, but there's just something about the classic that keeps the W at #2.

The second is the great Stan Lee. Most people will recognize him because he's made cameos in all the Marvel superhero movies. And an episode of the Big Bang Theory.

 

[godnotgod]

So anyway, as I was saying before all the smoke and mirrors, the Codex Sinaiticus, one of the Greek texts used as the basis for the NT, is a mess, contrary to the one example page shown by AE . Not so with the Pe****ta copies. Accuracy in the Pe****ta family is over 99.xx%.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

So anyway, as I was saying before all the smoke and mirrors, the Codex Sinaiticus, one of the Greek texts used as the basis for the NT, is a mess, contrary to the one example page shown by AE . Not so with the Pe****ta copies. Accuracy in the Pe****ta family is over 99.xx%.

:clap

 

[godnotgod]

? I was just talking about the Christians and the orientation of temples etc. which had come from the orientation of the Jewish tabernacle.

Orientation was to the East, where the Sun rises. Solar deity. East. Mithra. Jesus.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Solar deity. East. Mithra. Jesus.

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