Jesus: The Missing Years in the East

[Shermana]

Much like Yeshu's small band of followers.

Says who?

 

[Shermana]

Did I mention that Peter had a sword of ear-slicing +3 that dealt double damage to Priest's servants?

 

[godnotgod]

Did I mention that Peter had a sword of ear-slicing +3 that dealt double damage to Priest's servants?

Is that an original account or one that may have been overwritten onto the original?

I don't trust ANY NT accounts. ALL are suspect of corruption, mistranslation, interpolation, missing parts, etc.

We KNOW Paul and Rome went after the Nazarenes and the story goes that many of Yeshu's teachings were just destroyed. Rome had a different idea of salvation that it could apply to the masses. No real spiritual work attractive to only a few. Just bow down and accept the Roman Jesus whose blood was shed to make you feel guilty for eternity, causing you to submit to whatever the authorities wanted you to do by making it a state religion. It's called 'controlling the human spirit'.

Come, Sherma. You can't be that naive.

The Church did the same thing in Mexico, adopting Tonantzin, the Aztec Goddess of Fertility as Our Lady Of Guadalupe Hidalgo as a clever device to convert several million indigenous Indios, who simply followed where their goddess dwelt.

The pagans already had the promise of eternal life in Mithra, so Paul needed a device to attract them to his new religion. Destroy Yeshu's enlightened teachings of the breath and overwrite them with superstitious and mysterious blood sacrifice and salvation, and here they come.

Paul was a charlatan, or if you will, a religious carnie-barker.

Today, the Church is still doing the same thing: send missionaries to third world countries, (especially during natural disasters), entice them with food, medicine, and promises of a 'better life', pretend you are there to protect them against enemies, instill the fear of the devil into them, destroy their native religions, and indoctrinate them into Xtianity, providing a willing workforce for the incoming monied interests who will then exploit them for cheap land, resources, and labor.

 

[Shermana]

I don't trust ANY NT accounts. ALL are suspect of corruption, mistranslation, interpolation, missing parts, etc.

So what's your fascination with the Pe****ta in the first place all about?

 

[godnotgod]

So what's your fascination with the Pe****ta in the first place all about?

I was waiting for that.

For various reasons, I just see it as having been written before the Greek NT.

I also suspect politics had a lot to do with why the Greek NT came into prominence as the first.

 

[Shermana]

I was waiting for that.

For various reasons, I just see it as having been written before the Greek NT.

I also suspect politics had a lot to do with why the Greek NT came into prominence as the first.

Why is it so hard to accept that the Pe****ta was a later development from Old Syriac?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I don't trust ANY NT accounts. ALL are suspect of corruption, mistranslation, interpolation, missing parts, etc.

We KNOW Paul and Rome went after the Nazarenes and the story goes that many of Yeshu's teachings were just destroyed.

Blind leading the blind.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Why is it so hard to accept that the Pe****ta was a later development from Old Syriac?

This is insignificant in light of the symphony of stupidity that we've seen here.

 

[Shermana]

This is insignificant in light of the symphony of stupidity that we've seen here.

Am I mistaken that the Pe****ta did not come from earlier Older Syriac?

 

[Shermana]

My mistake, the "Old Testament" portion of the Pe****ta is what comes from Older Syriac, the NT Pe****ta was translated straight from the Greek.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Much like Yeshu's small band of followers.

You realize of course that "Yeshu" is much, much different than "Jesus." I wonder if it makes you feel smarter to write "Yeshu" when you're a ******* English speaker.

And Nazarene for "Yeshu's" disciples is worse, because in no document anywhere -- at least for the first four centuries -- are any Christians called "Nazarenes." Why do I know this? Because early Christians and non-Christians were not idiots and they knew who they were talking about.

By the way, there's no evidence of an Essene community on Mt Carmel during this time, so if you pride yourself on not accepting Nazareth, you cannot begin to even imagine an Essene community there. Why? Because there's no evidence. Nothing literary, no archaeology (unlike findings at Nazareth), and nothing even there to make it up.

On the DSS, it doesn't prove anything about the Essenes, because the theory that Essenes were at Qumran is challenged. Convincingly.

Where do you find this crap?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Am I mistaken that the Pe****ta did not come from earlier Older Syriac?

I was agreeing with you. I was saying that correcting our friend is hopeless.

The relationship between the Pe****ta and the Greek // Older Syriac is complex and addressed sufficiently in the books I listed above.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I was waiting for that.

For various reasons, I just see it as having been written before the Greek NT.

I also suspect politics had a lot to do with why the Greek NT came into prominence as the first.

Primarily because you get your rocks off by thinking that you're going against the grain - proving the church / tradition wrong by tapping into some little known conspiracy. Because of this, you are highly susceptible to steaming piles of BS -- or whatever lies someone has made up, being too incompetent or too lazy to correct yourself.

What's this silliness with politics? Greek is the language people spoke and wrote in all over the known world -- certainly it had a far wider audience than Aramaic.

 

[godnotgod]

You realize of course that "Yeshu" is much, much different than "Jesus." I wonder if it makes you feel smarter to write "Yeshu" when you're a ******* English speaker.

Not smarter; more accurate.

'Jesus' is Paul's concoction; the myth; on the way out.

'Yeshu': currently being resuscitated; get used to it.

And Nazarene for "Yeshu's" disciples is worse, because in no document anywhere -- at least for the first four centuries -- are any Christians called "Nazarenes." Why do I know this? Because early Christians and non-Christians were not idiots and they knew who they were talking about.

In the New Testament book of Acts, Paul is tried in Caesarea, and Tertullus is reported as saying:

"We have, in fact, found this man a pestilent fellow, an agitator among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" (Acts 24:5, New Revised Standard Version).

Nazarenes during Yeshu's life were not Christians; they were Essenes. The Essene teachings were 3 tiered, with the initiates on the lower tier. They are the group which, according to modern Essenes, broke with the sect and became the original Christians. They were evangelistic, and had no knowledge yet of the inner mysteries which the more advanced Essene elders were privy to. This was what the friction between Paul and the other disciples was about.

What is a Nazarene

By the way, there's no evidence of an Essene community on Mt Carmel during this time, so if you pride yourself on not accepting Nazareth, you cannot begin to even imagine an Essene community there. Why? Because there's no evidence. Nothing literary, no archaeology (unlike findings at Nazareth), and nothing even there to make it up.

Ancient Essene Life

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Not smarter; more accurate.

'Jesus' is Paul's concoction; the myth; on the way out.

'Yeshu': currently being resuscitated; get used to it.




In the New Testament book of Acts, Paul is tried in Caesarea, and Tertullus is reported as saying:

"We have, in fact, found this man a pestilent fellow, an agitator among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" (Acts 24:5, New Revised Standard Version).

What is a Nazarene



Ancient Essene Life

Thanks. At least I know what universe you're in.

 

[godnotgod]

Primarily because you get your rocks off by thinking that you're going against the grain - proving the church / tradition wrong by tapping into some little known conspiracy. Because of this, you are highly susceptible to steaming piles of BS -- or whatever lies someone has made up, being too incompetent or too lazy to correct yourself.

What's this silliness with politics? Greek is the language people spoke and wrote in all over the known world -- certainly it had a far wider audience than Aramaic.

Propagandic crap!

Yours is (and has been) a typical Christian attempt to discredit something that poses a real challenge to your entrenched belief system.

Won't work with me.

 

[godnotgod]

Thanks. At least I know what universe you're in.

No you don't! I would'nt set foot in Las Vegas!

I prefer the Land of Milk and Honey.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Propagandic crap!

Yours is (and has been) a typical Christian attempt to discredit something that poses a real challenge to your entrenched belief system.

Won't work with me.

... like I said, you get your rocks off by thinking that you're challenging something.

I get nothing from this but entertainment. I'm disappointed and frustrated by stupidity, but I'm here as long as it's funny.

I do wish you'd do something useful. But you're not posting jokes and you'd get banned if you posted porn. Willie Nelson videos would be good.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Yours is (and has been) a typical Christian attempt to discredit something that poses a real challenge to your entrenched belief system.

Right. Because manuscripts written in a language you can't read translated from Greek (or, because you are incapable of evaluating this claim and thus don't believe it, manuscripts that are identical to syriac translations) make such a difference. They don't. It's the same ******* NT. Grow up.

Won't work with me.

Reason, logic, and informed views usually don't. You base your belief system on google and youtube.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

No you don't! I would'nt set foot in Las Vegas!

I prefer the Land of Milk and Honey.

I have no idea what you prefer. You're so gullible that people could be feeding you anything. It would be milk and honey.

But thanks. I meant I know where you're coming from. I am grateful for the new comics.