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Jesus: The Missing Years in the East

godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
angellous_evangellous said:
Rock. Paper. Scissors. Lizard. Spock.
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AE. Las Vegas. Elvis. Entertainment. Spectacle. Glitz. Jesus. Nazareth. Greek NT. Smoke and Mirrors. Sleight of Hand. Carnie-Barker.

Suckers!

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Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
godnotgod said:
The mystical Nazorean Essene community at Mt.Carmel claim that Yeshu belonged to their sect, which forbade blood sacrifice. They only believed in spiritual resurrection, as I understand it, and not physical resurrection.

Yeshu was a Jewish mystic.

The Qumran Essenes were an apocalyptic sect.

I think the Mithraic mysteries contained a virgin birth doctrine, as well as did others.


see here:
The Way vs The Church
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Oh Jesus was a MYSTIC. Because of course, those of the Essenes/authors of the DSS who clearly believed in Animal Sacrifice could NOT possibly be mystics. Not like the entire Jewish religion itself had "mystical" elements to it in some definition or another.

Did Jesus practice Kaballah too? Was he a level 11 spell caster? Hey to be fair, I think the early Gnostics, such as "Jacob the Gnostic" (James the Just in the Talmud) had some "Mysticism" in their beliefs no doubt. But quite a ways different than what you're thinking.

Why don't you define what kind of "Mystic" Jesus was in comparison to non-mystic Jews at the time. And I'd love to see the proof that Jesus belonged to the particular sub-faction of the Essene faction that did not adhere to the DSS Temple Scroll party line.
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
godnotgod said:
So anyway, as I was saying before all the smoke and mirrors, the Codex Sinaiticus, one of the Greek texts used as the basis for the NT, is a mess, contrary to the one example page shown by AE . Not so with the Pe****ta copies. Accuracy in the Pe****ta family is over 99.xx%.
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Accuracy compared to what?

It appears Pe****ta Primacy is basically just like King-James-onlyism, a hostile reaction to manuscript and scholarly evidence of the "perfection" of the NT.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Shermana said:
Oh Jesus was a MYSTIC. Because of course, those of the Essenes/authors of the DSS who clearly believed in Animal Sacrifice could NOT possibly be mystics.
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I don't believe they can be, as animal [and human and god] sacrifice as a means of transference and redemption, IMO, is based on superstition. Mystical practices tend to be based on the breath, rather than the blood; on awakening rather than salvation; on insight rather than belief.
 
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godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Shermana said:
Accuracy compared to what?

It appears Pe****ta Primacy is basically just like King-James-onlyism, a hostile reaction to manuscript and scholarly evidence of the "perfection" of the NT.
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I don't see your analogy as being consistent.

Hosile? If there is any, it seems to be a reaction to the 900lb gorilla/bully of the Greek NT.
 
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Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
godnotgod said:
I don't believe they can be, as animal [and human and god] sacrifice as a means of transference and redemption, IMO, is based on superstition. Mystical practices tend to be based on the breath, rather than the blood; on awakening rather than salvation; on insight rather than belief.
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Ah, burning wheat and barley is not superstition of course.

And of course, there's absolutely NO insight in the entire corpus of Jewish literature, none at all.

But I'm wondering what this whole "breath" thing means. Practicing your breathing may be a meditative practice perhaps but I don't see what's so mystical about it. Now if you want to talk mystical, we can discuss the early Gnostics and Kaballah, assuming you know the slightest inkling about either.
 
LegionOnomaMoi

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
godnotgod said:
When Greek New Testaments were going West, Aramaic texts were rapidly proliferating in the East; however, there is a marked contrast between the texts themselves. The Aramaic texts were maintained by scribes who had great reverence for each word, indeed each letter; but the same cannot be said of many Greek translations. No two Greek texts agree to the extent that over 360 Aramaic texts agree within the Pe****ta family. The reader will discover that although the Khabouris Codex contains some minor differences within the Pe****ta family (these differences are well footnoted) its accuracy is breath-taking. The base text is extremely trustworthy and has been reproduced with acute meticulousness for nearly two millennia.
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I really don't get it. Do get a kick out of being lied to? Does the fact that random websites assert crap really convince you?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
godnotgod said:
I could find no reference to it as a practice amongst Nazarene Essenes of Mt. Carmel; only this:

http://www.essene.org/Yahowshua_or_Paul.htm
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What a riot!

A book on the differences in P is:

The Syriac Language of the Pe****ta and Old Syriac Versions of Matthew ...
By Jan Joosten

A good portion of it is available in Google books. Then there's:

Text, translation, and tradition: studies on the Pe****ta and its use in the Syriac tradition presented to Konrad D. Jenner on the occasion of his sixty-fifth birthday
 
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godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
angellous_evangellous said:
What a riot!

A book on the differences in P is:

The Syriac Language of the Pe****ta and Old Syriac Versions of Matthew ...
By Jan Joosten

A good portion of it is available in Google books. Then there's:

Text, translation, and tradition: studies on the Pe****ta and its use in the Syriac tradition presented to Konrad D. Jenner on the occasion of his sixty-fifth birthday
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The Old Syriac is rejected by Aramaic primacists.
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
godnotgod said:
I could find no reference to it as a practice amongst Nazarene Essenes of Mt. Carmel; only this:

http://www.essene.org/Yahowshua_or_Paul.htm
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Then you didn't look very far.

Josephus on Essene Sacrifice | Albert Baumgarten - Academia.edu


But I assume you think that Essene.org has some mystic insight that Josephus didn't have, or that Josephus was bald-faced lying to make the Essenes seem not so bad or something. He says they refrained from Animal, but not grain offerings.

And again, the DSS Temple Scroll clearly indicates the Essenes as a whole did not reject Animal sacrifice. It seems these anti-animal-sacrifice ones were just a very loud faction of a faction (of a faction?) who came to represent the rest to those who wouldn't know otherwise.
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
LegionOnomaMoi said:
Level TWELVE I'll have you know. And a level 9 mage with an Elven Runestone, the Sword of Destiny, and the Pe****ta Scrolls of Yesteryear.
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He did say he would come as a Thief in the Night, so I'm assuming at least a Level 7 Rogue as well. And it was the SPEAR of destiny or so I'm told. That whole thing about it being the Roman's spear that pierced him, that's just a silly legend. It was his OWN spear.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Which comic book are we talking about now?

Batman v. The Mt. Carmel Essenes

POW! WHAM! Take me to Amsterdam
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Shermana said:
Then you didn't look very far.

Josephus on Essene Sacrifice | Albert Baumgarten - Academia.edu

But I assume you think that Essene.org has some mystic insight that Josephus didn't have, or that Josephus was bald-faced lying to make the Essenes seem not so bad or something. He says they refrained from Animal, but not grain offerings.
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And again, the DSS Temple Scroll clearly indicates the Essenes as a whole did not reject Animal sacrifice. It seems these anti-animal-sacrifice ones were just a very loud faction of a faction (of a faction?) who came to represent the rest to those who wouldn't know otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Much like Yeshu's small band of followers.
 
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