jesus was a magician!

[Green Gaia]

ok here we go, first of all can you explain to me how we know jesus was actually dead in the cave without blind faith and believing in a book? assuming he wasnt dead its quite possible to survive for that long, david blaine has done it 2 times, been burried alive and being susspended in a see through box, crazy stunts they may have been but he proved it can be done, the human body is quite capable of doind so! heck he and chriss angel can also levitate now i dont know the bible through and through but i dont think i remember jesus doing that one! as long as the space and time around the body can be manipulated which i believe it can, then we can do almost anthing, thus the walking on water, as for the water/wine, david blaine and many other magicians can also turn inanimate objects into other things they were not, david made money appear out of a tramps cup from nowhere! the blind seeing, how can we simply assume on gods word (or whoever wrote the bible) and blind faith that these 'ill' people wernt just like the actors sometimes placed around magicians? i dont think i am convinced by any arguments on here that are pro christ, and you can say im wrong however may times you want, but what makes you right? peace people!:rainbow1:

Believe what you want, but for Heaven's sake use some punctuation!

 

[MaddLlama]

No, I agree with you. Those people are just performing tricks of the eye. I was just pointing out that DP seems to believe that they are real. It just seemed ironic to me that DP would believe in real magik but dismiss Jesus as a fake.

Truth be told, I don't believe that he even knows what he's saying.

 

[joeboonda]

I have never met anyone who actually looked at the evidence of the Ressurection or the historicity of Christ who has not become a believer. I have known many who did not examine the evidence who argue against it, but none who have taken the time to honestly go over the evidence. Many great scholars, lawyers, archaelogists, etc. have set out to write books to disprove the Gospel, only to write books in favor of it. It is something to consider. I know I want to know God loves me, and died for me, for free so I can live eternally, that is a great hope and for me a great truth.

 

[MaddLlama]

Actually there are plenty of people who have done serious research on the subject and didn't convert to Christianity.

 

[joeboonda]

I've never met any serious scholar who openly and honestly researched the evidence who did not become a believer, I would site Simon Greenleaf for one, the Royal Professor of law at Harvard from 1833 to 1848 who has been called the greatestauthority on legal evidences in the history of the world. When he examined the ressurection he concluded it was a historical event, and that anyone who examined the evidence for it honestly would be convinced this whas the case. So, too, Frank Morison, another British Lawyer who set out to write a book against it, being very skeptical, but, found the evidence for the ressurection so overwhelming He became a believer and wrote, "Who Moved the Stone". Lew Wallace set out to write a book to disprove the deity of Christ and the resurrection and ended up writing Ben Hur. Then there is Sir William Ramsay, a famous archeologist, who set out to disprove Luke's book of Acts, he called Luke a historian of the first degree, and became a Christian. The list goes on and on of highly educated, skeptics who actually wrote books, good books if one took the time to study the evidence for themselves. I suppose there will always be those, who in light of the great preponderance (sp?) of evidence will still not believe. I am glad Jesus loves me freely, but to each their own. Peace.

 

[MaddLlama]

So, because you never met one, that means they don't exist?

If what you asset were true, and everyone who does research on the subject would find that you're right, then why isn't everyone in the world a Christian? Are people who are not Christian just too lazy or scared to do the research, or are we all in denial?

 

[Smoke]

I've never met any serious scholar who openly and honestly researched the evidence who did not become a believer, I would site Simon Greenleaf for one, the Royal Professor of law at Harvard from 1833 to 1848 who has been called the greatestauthority on legal evidences in the history of the world. When he examined the ressurection he concluded it was a historical event, and that anyone who examined the evidence for it honestly would be convinced this whas the case. So, too, Frank Morison, another British Lawyer who set out to write a book against it, being very skeptical, but, found the evidence for the ressurection so overwhelming He became a believer and wrote, "Who Moved the Stone". Lew Wallace set out to write a book to disprove the deity of Christ and the resurrection and ended up writing Ben Hur. Then there is Sir William Ramsay, a famous archeologist, who set out to disprove Luke's book of Acts, he called Luke a historian of the first degree, and became a Christian. The list goes on and on of highly educated, skeptics who actually wrote books, good books if one took the time to study the evidence for themselves. I suppose there will always be those, who in light of the great preponderance (sp?) of evidence will still not believe. I am glad Jesus loves me freely, but to each their own. Peace.

Hmmm .... the most recent person on your list wrote before my grandparents were married, and he was hardly a scholar, and hardly a skeptic. All it took for him to be convinced of the absolute historicity of the New Testament was to sit down and read it. Hardly a rigorous examination of the data. I wonder whether you've ever met any serious scholar at all, or anybody who openly and honestly researched the evidence. Lew Wallace?! One thing that's clear is that your idea of a serious, open, and honest scholar is somebody who embraces your idea of Christianity.

 

[darkpenguin]

Ok can anyone give a decent argument that proves flat out that jesus was not a magician? I mean proof beyond blind faith as that really doesn't count! At the end of the day, to God it's not about believing, it's about having an idea! And i have an idea, Jesus was a magician, until somebody proves me wrong!

i may be wrong. But who made you right

 

[Genna]

Can you give an argument that proves flat out that Jesus was a magician?

 

[darkpenguin]

I don't have to given that David Blaine and Chris Angel have already done so! And its been proven with placebo drugs that healing can be done with the mind!
Claiming that certain healings are miracles is just silly and irrisponsible!

If i'm wrong. What makes you right?

 

[Buttons*]

.....if i give you a cookie will you walk away and pretend you never said anything so ridiculous?

 

[Genna]

I don't have to given that David Blaine and Chris Angel have already done so! And its been proven with placebo drugs that healing can be done with the mind!
Claiming that certain healings are miracles is just silly and irrisponsible!

If i'm wrong. What makes you right?

ummmmm, Can criss angel and david blane raise the dead? Can placebos replace a severed ear instantaneously?

 

[Jaymes]

Ok can anyone give a decent argument that proves flat out that jesus was not a magician? I mean proof beyond blind faith as that really doesn't count! At the end of the day, to God it's not about believing, it's about having an idea! And i have an idea, Jesus was a magician, until somebody proves me wrong!

i may be wrong. But who made you right

Okay, can anyone give a decent argument that proves flat out that Jesus was not a flying purple elephant? I mean proof beyond blind faith, as that doesn't really count! At the end of the day, to God it's not about believing, it's about having an idea! And I have an idea: Jesus was a flying purple elephant, until someone proves me wrong!

I may be wrong. But who made you right?

Point of this post being that you can not prove a negative. You can only prove positives.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

.....if i give you a cookie will you walk away and pretend you never said anything so ridiculous?

If the cookie is accompanied by a six-pack of Amber-Bock we have a deal.

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

Funny, because I've never seen anyone raise anybody from the dead before. Nor have I ever watched someone heal another of blindness or leprosy...:sarcastic

 

[darkpenguin]

Funny, because I've never seen anyone raise anybody from the dead before. Nor have I ever watched someone heal another of blindness or leprosy...:sarcastic

But as i said earlier magicians are capable of anything, even more so if they have actors helping them, as many magicians do!

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

But as i said earlier magicians are capable of anything, even more so if they have actors helping them, as many magicians do!

Magicians are capable of anything? Then why haven't I ever watched one raise a person from the dead?

 

[Buttons*]

If the cookie is accompanied by a six-pack of Amber-Bock we have a deal.

you're on

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

But as i said earlier magicians are capable of anything, even more so if they have actors helping them, as many magicians do!

Are you suggesting that Jesus had actors helping him? Laughable at the very least...:biglaugh:

 

[darkpenguin]

Why then have you neer seen jesus raise anybody from the dead? It's just taken for granted that it happened from a book of urban legends! How do we know for a fact that the person he raised was dead? It's quite possible with deep meditation for a person to slow down their heart rate enough to appear dead!