Jews are the smartest people

[Heyo]

Why would anyone take the time or effort to convince you???

Lack of experience.

 

[Colt]

Of the 965 individual recipients of the Nobel Prize and the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences between 1901 and 2023, at least 214 have been Jews or people with at least one Jewish parent, representing 22% of all recipients. Jews comprise only 0.2% of the world's population, meaning their share of winners is 110 times their proportion of the world's population.

Jews have been awarded all six of the Nobel Foundation's awards:

• Chemistry: 36 (19% of total)
• Economics: 38 (41% of total)
• Literature: 16 (13% of total)
• Peace: 9 (8% of total)
• Physics: 56 (25% of total)
• Physiology or Medicine: 59 (26% of total)

That is very impressive.

Its true! The genetic bloodlines of the Israelites drew from the ancient Samarians. Abrams family was chosen for a reason! The contributions to the world in nearly every field by Jewish culture is staggering!

 

[Revoltingest]

we do? I don't recall ever doing that. So a re we really? Or are you just trying to convince yourself that we do?

You haven't.
Some have.
But for what it's worth, you do
seem smarterer than average.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why would anyone take the time or effort to convince you???

Some people can't resist trying to impress
even those of us who don't matter.

 

[Dao Hao Now]

While I agree with the general premise that Jews seem to be smarter - looking at Nobel Foundation awards as a metric is deeply flawed .. for reasons I will let you ponder.

The metric I like to use is Chess --- a competition where the prize is not "Awarded" to re recipient via pastisan board. 50% or more of the World Champions have been of Jewish Dissent. our of a population of 0.2 .. in a game where everyone can play .. another flaw with the above metrics ..where most of the worlds population are not able to play.

By this logic, wouldn’t it be more accurate to use Go which is far more complex than Chess.
Thereby concluding that Chinese, Japanese and Koreans respectively are more deserving of the title?

 

[George-ananda]

Of the 965 individual recipients of the Nobel Prize and the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences between 1901 and 2023, at least 214 have been Jews or people with at least one Jewish parent, representing 22% of all recipients. Jews comprise only 0.2% of the world's population, meaning their share of winners is 110 times their proportion of the world's population.

Jews have been awarded all six of the Nobel Foundation's awards:

• Chemistry: 36 (19% of total)
• Economics: 38 (41% of total)
• Literature: 16 (13% of total)
• Peace: 9 (8% of total)
• Physics: 56 (25% of total)
• Physiology or Medicine: 59 (26% of total)

That is very impressive.

I've noticed this disproportion in many other areas too. My thought is genetics is the heaviest influence on the disproportion.

And that leads me to see history and society today influenced by ethnic genetics. And that gets me vehemently called a racist and I'm not sure I'm in the mood for that emotional wave coming at me.

Scientific Racism without hatred or ill-will to anyone is not really socially acceptable at this time.

I of course understand the opposition to ethnic genetically produced tendencies, but I think their argument is well-intentioned but doesn't seem to fit the facts.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And that gets me vehemently called a racist and I'm not sure I'm in the mood for that emotional wave coming at me.

It's because you've said racist things before.

 

[George-ananda]

It's because you've said racist things before.

Scientific Racism without hatred or ill-will is what I would call it. Not a popular position I understand.

What's your take on the OP Jewish question? Genetics are not a factor in the disproportion?

 

[Orbit]

Scientific Racism without hatred or ill-will is what I would call it. Not a popular position I understand.

What's your take on the OP Jewish question? Genetics are not a factor in the disproportion?

You didn't ask for it, but I'll give you my take. This is no different than saying "Asians are good at math". It's not because they have Asian genetic markers, it's Asian culture encourages and supports math education for both girls and boys. It's a cultural difference, not a genetic one. It's also a general tendency, not a guarantee that every individual from that group will be good at it.

 

[George-ananda]

You didn't ask for it, but I'll give you my take. This is no different than saying "Asians are good at math". It's not because they have Asian genetic markers, it's Asian culture encourages and supports math education for both girls and boys. It's a cultural difference, not a genetic one. It's also a general tendency, not a guarantee that every individual from that group will be good at it.

That becomes the central debate. Is it genetics or culture or a combination of both. It sounds like you are in the 'cultural only' camp. And I am in the genetics heavy camp with cultural reasons adding to that. And genetic differences can influence how societies develop differently.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Scientific Racism without hatred or ill-will is what I would call it. Not a popular position I understand.

What's your take on the OP Jewish question? Genetics are not a factor in the disproportion?

Scientific racism is pseudoscience and is racist, but I had in mind some of the other things you've said. Basically, don't say racist things and people won't call you racist. You can't get mad at people for calling something what it is.

Jewish success is a matter of culture and environment. It also helps when you have a lot of money to spend on education and generally have a higher standard of living, as Jewish people are the wealthiest religious group in the US:

Wealth and religion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's the same with South Asians and East Asians in the US, who are the wealthiest ethnic groups.

 

[Orbit]

That becomes the central debate. Is it genetics or culture or a combination of both. It sounds like you are in the 'cultural only' camp. And I am in the genetics heavy camp with cultural reasons adding to that. And genetic differences can influence how societies develop differently.

I think that the cultural explanation makes way more sense.

For example, when I was in 6th grade (1975), I wasn't doing well in math. (I am female). My (male) teacher addressed my mom's concerns about that by saying "she's a girl, she doesn't need to know math". How invested do you think he was in teaching me anything about math? That's cultural. Now, multiply that by millions of 6th grade girls and it shows up as a statistical tendency. It had nothing to do with genetics.

 

[George-ananda]

Scientific racism is pseudoscience and is racist, but I had in mind some of the other things you've said. Basically, don't say racist things and people won't call you racist. You can't get mad at people for calling something what it is.

Jewish success is a matter of culture and environment. It also helps when you have a lot of money to spend on education and generally have a higher standard of living, as Jewish people are the wealthiest religious group in the US:

Wealth and religion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's the same with South Asians and East Asians in the US, who are the wealthiest ethnic groups.

You explain the Jewish success as caused by 'culture and environment'. Well I believe genetics underlies the cause of that disproportionate success. Our disagreement is clear right there and I am not sure there is any more point arguing as it is impossible to prove who is right.

I think that the cultural explanation makes way more sense.

For example, when I was in 6th grade (1975), I wasn't doing well in math. (I am female). My (male) teacher addressed my mom's concerns about that by saying "she's a girl, she doesn't need to know math". How invested do you think he was in teaching me anything about math? That's cultural. Now, multiply that by millions of 6th grade girls and it shows up as a statistical tendency. It had nothing to do with genetics.

Now I think things like that have some effect, but in my opinion the largest cause for things like Jewish disproportionate intellectual success is genetics.

Now neither side can prove their point and the heredity versus environment argument goes on for group disproportions.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

I'll keep the matzah ball soup and latkes to myself.

No soup for you!

 

[Estro Felino]

I think that the cultural explanation makes way more sense.

For example, when I was in 6th grade (1975), I wasn't doing well in math. (I am female). My (male) teacher addressed my mom's concerns about that by saying "she's a girl, she doesn't need to know math". How invested do you think he was in teaching me anything about math? That's cultural. Now, multiply that by millions of 6th grade girls and it shows up as a statistical tendency. It had nothing to do with genetics.

Of course genetics is fundamental...with all due respect.
My experience in the early 2000s. Faculty of Engineering: the 80% of students were males.
Faculty of Law: 70% of students were females.
Faculty of Literature and Philosophy: 90% were females.

Males are genetically predisposed to understand math. Period.
Women are better at law. It's a fact, at least in my country.

 

[Heyo]

Scientific racism is pseudoscience and is racist, but I had in mind some of the other things you've said. Basically, don't say racist things and people won't call you racist. You can't get mad at people for calling something what it is.

Jewish success is a matter of culture and environment. It also helps when you have a lot of money to spend on education and generally have a higher standard of living, as Jewish people are the wealthiest religious group in the US:

Wealth and religion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's the same with South Asians and East Asians in the US, who are the wealthiest ethnic groups.

Wait ... Jews are seen as a religious group? Wouldn't that imply that the religion is the dominant factor not genetics or environment?
Would I become smarter or richer if I converted to Judaism?

 

[Heyo]

Of course genetics is fundamental...with all due respect.
My experience in the early 2000s. Faculty of Engineering: the 80% of students were males.
Faculty of Law: 70% of students were females.
Faculty of Literature and Philosophy: 90% were females.

Males are genetically predisposed to understand math. Period.
Women are better at law. It's a fact, at least in my country.

And the most striking difference is in religion. Catholic Priests are 100% male. Women are simply genetically unable to understand religion.
/s

 

[ajay0]

This thread is insightful. The Jews in general are quite intelligent, well-educated and wealthy, more than other religious groups.

Could it be that their exceptional wealth and intelligence were the reasons that they were and are being despised by their Abrahamic cousins, the Christians and Muslims !

Is the root cause envy ! Lol...

 

[Estro Felino]

And the most striking difference is in religion. Catholic Priests are 100% male. Women are simply genetically unable to understand religion.
/s

But that had nothing to do with university.
Women are free to choose engineering or physics, or math.
If I had understood math, I would have probably chosen engineering.
My grades were: A in literature and languages; D in math.

 

[Heyo]

But that had nothing to do with university.
Women are free to choose engineering or physics, or math.
If I had understood math, I would have probably chosen engineering.
My grades were: A in literature and languages; D in math.

Not all cultural influences are as obvious. The last word about what traits are inherited (and how much) isn't spoken, yet. We are pretty sure about some but maths isn't on that list.