Jews call for the dismantling of the Zionist state of Israel

[Flankerl]

And so begins the usual "real jews" bulls....

People who hate jews always had a thing to sort jews into false and true jews.

 

[metis]

The illegal state was built on a lie.

It was not "illegal" as 2/3 of the U.N. authorized the division whereas only 1/6 was for "Israel".

Most zionists are athiests. Athiests don't have a Holy Land to return to since they don't believe in God.

Most are not "atheists", and there's a big difference between "unaffiliated" and "atheism".

All Palestinians whose land and homes were stolen by these Europeans should be allowed to return, it is their human right according to the UN.

Not true again. Matter of fact, the U.N. provision had it that any Palestinians that were displaced could receive compensation, and this was to be financed actually through mostly U.S. funds.

When they return they will outnumber the Zionist Europeans many times and then the Muslims, Arabs, Christians and Jews who actually practice Judaism can all live like they did before the Europeans terrorised the nation of Palestine and the British who controlled it at the time who were also the victims of Israeli terrorist attacks.

So, you honestly believe that Jews weren't attacked previously there prior to becoming a state? Aren't you even aware of the fact that we couldn't even visit our holy sites in Jerusalem when the Jordanians controlled it? Aren't you aware that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem praised Hitler's dealing with the "Final Solution", and promised there'd been Jewish blood spilled throughout the area?

The thief NEVER becomes the rightful owner of the stolen property he stole. It's something the Jews and believers in God understand but not something the athiest zionists understand.

As before, it was not "stolen", so you simply are not telling the truth, plus the fact that you have created your own "history". Secondly, the partitioning of a former country is not at all unusual in history, as we've seen this with India, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia, for examples, and a great many people in those countries had to move.

 

[columbus]

And here is another epic display of intellect. Your nation has decades of involvement and deployment of troops in the region (and probably every other part of the world), you don't get to ride the high horse. Your country has rained more terror and war than a small state in the Eastern Mediterranean could. Your war with the Arabs has been much more destructive than Israel's military history in the region.

I'm not on any high horse. I.vehemently oppose war when there is any feasible alternative. I opposed the invasion of Iraq etc.
What I'm talking about is the US continuing to support violence by supporting Israel. We are not in charge of what they do over there, but I resent paying for it.

Tom

 

[metis]

I'm not on any high horse. I.vehemently oppose war when there is any feasible alternative. I opposed the invasion of Iraq etc.
What I'm talking about is the US continuing to support violence by supporting Israel. We are not in charge of what they do over there, but I resent paying for it.

Tom

Are you aware of the fact that when we give foreign aid it's not like we are giving away money and not getting anything back for it?

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't know why the zionistes calling for religious state for jews ?
they had muslims and christians ...;etc

 

[metis]

I don't know why the zionistes calling for religious state for jews ?

Are you opposed to officially Islamic states, such as Saudi Arabia whereas no churches or synagogues can be built under their law, and yet we find many churches and mosques in Israel?

 

[Godobeyer]

Are you opposed to officially Islamic states, such as Saudi Arabia whereas no churches or synagogues can be built under their law, and yet we find many churches and mosques in Israel?

I am Algerian , and Suni Muslim .
yes i am opposed Saudi Arabia in many issues , especialy in freedom of religious ...etc
so you want Israel to become like Saudi Arabia (religious state)?

 

[metis]

I am Algerian , and Suni Muslim .
yes i am opposed Saudi Arabia in many issues , especialy in freedom of religious ...etc
so you want Israel to become like Saudi Arabia (religious state)?

Certainly not, and it's nowhere near like the Saudis. BTW, the official religion of Algeria is Islam, so maybe that you think should be changed?

 

[Godobeyer]

Certainly not, and it's nowhere near like the Saudis. BTW, the official religion of Algeria is Islam, so maybe that you think should be changed?

Yes ,official religion of Algeria is Islam , and we accept the other religions .

Zionistes want remove the other religions and races from Israel .

why the zionistes abuse the muslims by entering to their Mosque (Almasjid Alaksa ) by the force of Police ?

why we will never see muslims rolling in "Crying Wall" ,by the protection of Israeli police ?


Why the zionistes insiste that Israel is jewish ,if is not because there is a plan, of kick out the muslim and christians from Israel ?

 

[metis]

Yes ,official religion of Algeria is Islam , and we accept the other religions .

Which is why the last synagogue got destroyed in Algeria in 1977?

Zionistes want remove the other religions and races from Israel .

Absolutely false.

why the zionistes abuse the muslims by entering to their Mosque (Almasjid Alaksa ) by the force of Police ?

False again, and I've been in the al-Aqsa mosque when there's been Muslems there and I saw no such "force" against them. Have you ever been there?

why we will never see muslims rolling in "Crying Wall" ,by the protection of Israeli police ?

What are you talking about?

Why the zionistes insiste that Israel is jewish ,if is not because there is a plan, of kick out the muslim and christians from Israel ?

Again, false, and it begs the question who's been feeding you this utter nonsense? Maybe instead of posting out of nothing but sheer ignorance on this subject you actually might want to either visit there are study from non-radicalized sources.

 

[columbus]

Are you aware of the fact that when we give foreign aid it's not like we are giving away money and not getting anything back for it?

I realize that the money enhances the profitability of US weapons manufacturing. It also buys votes from US Zionists. It keeps a nuclear armed proxy army close to the oil fields.

None of this impresses me much.

It also raises the deficit, costing the taxpayer more than double once the interest is counted. It presents security risks. It damages US credibility.
Can anybody take seriously US opposition to Iran's nuclear weapons program claiming we want to keep such weapons out of the ME when we are subsidizing the current owner of such?

Tom

 

[Caladan]

The illegal state was built on a lie. Most zionists are athiests. Athiests don't have a Holy Land to return to since they don't believe in God.

Of course they are. When it suits people the 'Zionists' are apocalyptic religious fanatics, and when it doesn't they are godless atheists who have no traditional convictions.
Let me enlighten you as you appear to be someone who is blind to the phenomenon called pluralism. While most Israelis believe in a higher force, Israel has a pluralistic society with all levels of observance. Something which is unfortunately lacking in the nations around Israel. The fact that you hold such a grudge against atheists or secular people as to voice such an utter ignorant collective ad hominem tells me of the depraved state the cultural niche you found yourself in is promoting.

It's true the USA is the biggest terrorist nation in the world.

Raving lunatics in the government like Bush and Kerry and all the rest of the retards who are actively trying to bring about 'The Rapture'

That 'small state in the Eastern Mediterranean' is the next biggest terrorist nation. Not only is it the ONLY one in the region with NUCLEAR weapons who threatens destruction every week to it's neighbours

I know that comparing your fantasies to everyday news which are flowing out of the region is a huge task, however Israel is the one true bastion of reason in a region in which hundreds of thousands of Arabs have butchered each other and made millions of other refugees in the past 3 years. Israel is the least of the issues in this apocalyptic wet dream of yours.

BUT it also controls these mindless nut cases in the US congress and makes huge shekels by weapons manufacturing and sales provoking war after war after war hoping the Americans are stupid enough to carry on believing their lies.

Well I guess the fact that you believe that the men and women of the American intelligence community and the scientists and engineers behind American technology market are complete fools is a good thing. I'm sure it gets you off someone's back, so I'll leave you to entertain this one frustration.

Their paid hasbara all over the internet are employed in every forum and chat room to disseminate the lies to the clueless day after day.

These Jews who are demonstrating in New York are the real Jews. The ones who follow their faith unlike the athiest zionist criminal terrorists who have stolen a peoples land and caused nothing but war and destruction and death ever since.

If it not were for the support of the morons in the USA governments it would have been gone long ago.

If Balfour were to suggest today what he suggested would be a good idea back then, the world would order an immediate psychological assessment on him knowing how that kind of moronic stupidity would end up. There is no one that is sane would ever think that stealing a peoples land and homes then murdering them when they try to resist and get it back would ever end peacefully.

It's only the continuous lying hasbara that makes the morons believe their lies.

Once the Americans finally wake up and smell the coffee and see that Israel is a major cause of world conflict and death and money wasted and was built on a lie we might all eventually find some peace in our world.

It starts by not being fooled by the clever manipulation of the paid hasbara who infest the internet and forums and everywhere else with their lies and deceit and their false manipulation of them being the innocent victims.

Americans should be, if they are Christians, support these actual Jews who follow their bible and say that the creation of the illegal state of Israel is actually against their religion. That's the bottom line and clear enough for any sane person to understand whose mind has not been brainwashed by their hasbara.

I have no idea what you said above, it sounds like some kind of a grand phobia lingo which I have no way to relate to and decipher.

 

[Caladan]

I'm not on any high horse. I.vehemently oppose war when there is any feasible alternative. I opposed the invasion of Iraq etc.
What I'm talking about is the US continuing to support violence by supporting Israel. We are not in charge of what they do over there, but I resent paying for it.

Tom

Again the epic display of intellectual breakdown. This constant diversion of American foreign policy enterprise which is spread on decades and the focus on this one pluralistic state is an embarrassment. If it wasn't Israel, your Empire would use another pawn. Israel loses much more than the average American from this arrangement.
Your nation does not support violence by supporting Israel. It EXECUTES violence everyday by erasing towns and communities between the Tigris and the Euphrates, and by operating drones in Yemen, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. It has absolutely nothing to do with Israel; it's your empire's war for global hegemony and to pin it on one small state, as competent as that state may be is a compete lack of desire to address American domestic and foreign affairs, and global affairs like an adult. It is the mantra of appeasement and groveling.
When the US will exhaust its interest in the Middle East in the future, it will move all of its focus and resources to East Asia most likely. Then another small and progressive state in that region such as South Korea or Singapore will become the new red herring of populist Americans who are too lazy to become adults in the world of the 21st century and can only repeat the same mantras over and over again.

 

[Revoltingest]

Again the epic display of intellectual breakdown. This constant diversion of American foreign policy enterprise which is spread on decades and the focus on this one pluralistic state is an embarrassment. If it wasn't Israel, your Empire would use another pawn. Israel loses much more than the average American from this arrangement.
Your nation does not support violence by supporting Israel. It EXECUTES violence everyday by erasing towns and communities between the Tigris and the Euphrates, and by operating drones in Yemen, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. It has absolutely nothing to do with Israel; it's your empire's war for global hegemony and to pin it on one small state, as competent as that state may be is a compete lack of desire to address American domestic and foreign affairs, and global affairs like an adult. It is the mantra of appeasement and groveling.
When the US will exhaust its interest in the Middle East in the future, it will move all of its focus and resources to East Asia most likely. Then another small and progressive state in that region such as South Korea or Singapore will become the new red herring of populist Americans who are too lazy to become adults in the world of the 21st century and can only repeat the same mantras over and over again.

Name calling, fulminating, finger pointing & deflection don't defeat his legitimate view that US obsession with Israel results in massive violence, with the Iranian, Afghan & Iraqi messes being part of it. And if the US returns to Asia for more deadly & costly foreign adventurism, then we'll decry that too. Foreign advanturism has been a disaster, & many of us would like to give it up...which is a very "adult" view.

 

[Caladan]

I see the jester is back. Stick to juggling, I have no time to guide you point by point again as you have miserably failed to grasp them the last time. Go back to previous threads and read each paragraph this time. There is no point repeating the same methodology of me providing you a wealth of information and your chronic refusal to address it seriously.

 

[Revoltingest]

I see the jester is back. Stick to juggling, I have no time to guide you point by point again as you have miserably failed to grasp them the last time. Go back to previous threads and read each paragraph this time. There is no point repeating the same methodology of me providing you a wealth of information and your chronic refusal to address it seriously.

This is a shallow dismissal. Let go of the anger, & consider that Americastan's policies
& history with Israel are broader than mere military & foreign aid. Other countries
figure in too, eg, the threat (which fortunately appears to be waning) of war with Iran.
This history has served us poorly, & to want change by ending foreign adventurism
makes sense. Again, you've countered this view with naught but name calling.

 

[Caladan]

This is a shallow dismissal. Let go of the anger, & consider that Americastan's policies
& history with Israel are broader than mere military & foreign aid. Other countries
figure in too, eg, the threat (which fortunately appears to be waning) of war with Iran.
This history has served us poorly, & to want change by ending foreign adventurism
makes sense. Again, you've countered this view with naught but name calling.

The above needs serious editing and revising in order for it to make sense. Please fix and submit again. You want to end foreign adventurism? By all means begin by withdrawing every American soldier from every corner of the earth. Including (but not limited to) Eastern Europe, the Middle East and East Asia. Once you remove your imposing Imperial presence and your economic leverage you can go back to pretending that you are dragged into other people's back yards against your will.

 

[Revoltingest]

The above needs serious editing and revising in order for it to make sense. Please fix and submit again. You want to end foreign adventurism? By all means begin by withdrawing every American soldier from every corner of the earth. Including (but not limited to) Eastern Europe, the Middle East and East Asia. Once you remove your imposing Imperial presence and your economic leverage you can go back to pretending that you are dragged into other people's back yards against their will.

You misunderstand (as before) the nature of our being "dragged into" the conflict, & the significance I place upon it.
There are multiple causes for the US being enmeshed, but I'm addressing the consequences & proposed solution.
"Pretending"? Really? Such uncivil bluster & dismissal is inconsistent with your flaunting those shields of peace & knowledge.

 

[columbus]

Again the epic display of intellectual breakdown. This constant diversion of American foreign policy enterprise which is spread on decades and the focus on this one pluralistic state is an embarrassment. If it wasn't Israel, your Empire would use another pawn. Israel loses much more than the average American from this arrangement.
Your nation does not support violence by supporting Israel. It EXECUTES violence everyday by erasing towns and communities between the Tigris and the Euphrates, and by operating drones in Yemen, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. It has absolutely nothing to do with Israel; it's your empire's war for global hegemony and to pin it on one small state, as competent as that state may be is a compete lack of desire to address American domestic and foreign affairs, and global affairs like an adult. It is the mantra of appeasement and groveling.
When the US will exhaust its interest in the Middle East in the future, it will move all of its focus and resources to East Asia most likely. Then another small and progressive state in that region such as South Korea or Singapore will become the new red herring of populist Americans who are too lazy to become adults in the world of the 21st century and can only repeat the same mantras over and over again.

I'm only focused on Israel because it is the OP. There is plenty of violence in the world and the US contributions appall me. But we're hardly the only ones..
I want the US to stop supporting violence and Israel is just one place to start.

Tom

 

[Caladan]

You misunderstand (as before) the nature of our being "dragged into" the conflict, & the significance I place upon it. There are multiple causes for the US being enmeshed, but I'm addressing the consequences & proposed solution. Pretending? Really? Such uncivil bluster & dismissal is inconsistent with your flaunting those shields of peace & knowledge.

As I said above, the solution is for you to withdraw the physical presence of your troops and your economic enslavement. Once you can do these two simple things other societies can begin acting as if it is a reality and not your fantasy. Right now, countless of nations (including mine) are married to yours whether they really want to or not, these countries play your game. Release us and stop playing Roman Empire. American McDonald culture cannot fit the shoes of Cicero and Marcus Aurelius anyhow.
There are too many states caught between the US, Russia, China, and an aspiring EU and their chess orgy for oil. There is no point making these states into boogeymen while they are the pawns of the major players who are fortunate enough to have human numbers on their side.