Jews deserve Israel - Qur'an confirms

[Godobeyer]

Quite obscure verse in this matter . Qur'an never says Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa is the mosque in Jerusalem . The temple of Jerusalem was demolished 500 years before the revelation of the verse and was erected 70 years after the demise of Prophet Muhammad . Hence not inside ingredients of the Qur'an nor history support this to be in Jerusalem .

Maybe you ignore that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) visited Jerusalem,with his companions ,so the location is located and known by him and his companions.
EDITED TO ADD
https://quran.com/106/2

I don't care about temple of Jeruslem ,my concern is Al-Masjid Aqsa.

 

[Godobeyer]

Who prophesied this verse, if I may ask?

Isra and Miraj: The Miraculous Night Journey
http://www.islamicity.org/5843/isra-and-miraj-the-miraculous-night-journey/

 

[FearGod]

Another point :

Jerusalem never been mentioned in Qur'an - then why should we die and kill for it ?

We have Al-Masjid Al-Haram in Makkah . We should be happy to have it all ours . No Christians and Jews are interfering in it . Then why we Muslims interfere in possessing Jerusalem ? Doesn't make sense to me .

Why not giving them Cairo as well? enough for us Almasjid Alharam.

 

[Godobeyer]

Why not giving them Cairo as well? enough for us Almasjid Alharam.

No,we should giving them Madinah and we are enough to us AlKaaba ?

 

[Union]

Maybe you ignore that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) visited Jerusalem,with his companions ,so the location is located and known by him and his companions.
EDITED TO ADD
https://quran.com/106/2

https://quran.com/106/2

No clue from Qur'an .

don't care about temple of Jeruslem ,my concern is Al-Masjid Aqsa.

The so called Al Masjid Al Aqsa is in Temple Mount .

 

[Union]

Why not giving them Cairo as well? enough for us Almasjid Alharam.

No,we should giving them Madinah and we are enough to us AlKaaba ?

Otherwise just enjoy more innocent people to die everyday , if it makes Shia/Sunni Muslim to be more happy ??

 

[mojtaba]

Chapter 5

19 O People of the Book! Now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our Messenger, after the break in (the series of) our messengers, lest ye should say: "There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil)": But now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a Warner (from evil). And Allah hath power over all things.

20 Remember Moses said to his people: "O my people! Call in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples.

21 "O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin."

Chapter 10

93 We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them, that they fell into schisms. Verily Allah will judge between them as to the schisms amongst them, on the Day of Judgment.

Chapter 17

104 And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land (of promise)": but when the second of the warnings came to pass, We gathered you together in a mingled crowd.

105 We sent down the (Qur'an) in Truth, and in Truth has it descended: and We sent thee but to give Glad Tidings and to warn (sinners).

Chapter 28

3 We rehearse to thee some of the story of Moses and Pharaoh in Truth, for people who believe.

4 Truly Pharaoh elated himself in the land and broke up its people into sections, depressing a small group among them: their sons he slew, but he kept alive their females: for he was indeed a maker of mischief.

5 And We wished to be Gracious to those who were being depressed in the land, to make them leaders (in Faith) and make them heirs,

6 To establish a firm place for them in the land, and to show Pharaoh, Haman, and their hosts, at their hands, the very things against which they were taking precautions.

Chapter 7

137 And We made a people, considered weak (and of no account), inheritors of lands in both east and west, - lands whereon We sent down Our blessings. The fair promise of thy Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel, because they had patience and constancy, and We levelled to the ground the great works and fine buildings which Pharaoh and his people erected (with such pride).

If you consider all the verses, you can find that prescription of Palestine(, not israel ) unto Jews by Allah is conditional, not absolute. There are some conditions for this assigntion.

The following verses make it clear that this prescription is conditional, not unrestricted, or irrevocable,

It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, and if you again return (to disobedience) We too will return (to punishment). And We have made hell a prison for the unbelievers (17:8);

(Musa's words in the above-mentioned verse): "It may be that your Lord will destroy your enemy and make you rulers in the land, then He will see how you act" (7:128-9).

And when Musa said to his people: "Call to mind Allah's favor to you when He delivered you from Pharaoh's people... And when your Lord made it known: 'If you are grateful, I would certainly give you more; and if you are ungrateful, My chastisement is truly severe'" (14:6-7).

Because they disobeyed Allah and did not accept two great Messengers of Allah, i.e. Prophet Jesus(a.s.) and Prophet Muhammad(sawaws), so that the prescription is canceled.

Allah says,
The faithless among the Children of Israel were cursed on the tongue of David and Jesus son of Mary. That, because they would disobey and they used to commit transgression.(5:78)

 

[Godobeyer]

Otherwise just enjoy more innocent people to die everyday ,

Instead of condemn Israel for that, you tell the Palestinians to give up and leave their land !!
Edited to correct typo error
So because they killed everyday so they suppose don't defend for their self and leave their land to Jews ?

You may don't know about fighting for rights and resistance ?

Algerians got revolution in 1954-1962 against France colonisation , we paid 1.5 million martyrs and hunderds of thousand of handicapped , so we suppose to gave up to France ?

Now Syria fighting ISIS , so they suppose to gave up because innocents die everday?

Sorry this is not compasion , this is called gave up your rights / surrender .

 

[Godobeyer]

No clue from Qur'an .

Since you don't use historic reference for verses of Quran (tafsir and hadith) you would never understand Quran perfectly.

The so called Al Masjid Al Aqsa is in Temple Mount .

That what Jews claim.
let me use your statement "No clue from Quran"
Quran NEVER said Al-Masjid Al Alqsa is in Temple Mount !

 

[mojtaba]

Regardless of Quran, which never confirms that Palestine(, not isreal ) is for Jews, according to international laws, the people of Palestine have right to select their government.

Ayatullah Khamenei has said,

"The Islamic Republic of Iran has presented a fair and logical solution to this issue. We have suggested that all native Palestinians, whether they are Muslims, Christians or Jews, should be allowed to take part in a general referendum before the eyes of the world and decide on a Palestinian government. Any government that is the result of this referendum will be a legitimate government."

He has also said,

"We believe, according to our Islamic principles, that neither throwing the Jews into the sea nor putting the Palestinian land on fire is logical and reasonable. Our position is that the Palestinian people should regain their rights. Palestine belongs to Palestinians, and the fate of Palestine should also be determined by the Palestinian people."

But, US and zoionists do not accept this rational idea. Because they are the most tyrants on the earth.

 

[Union]

If you consider all the verses, you can find that prescription of Palestine(, not israel ) unto Jews by Allah is conditional, not absolute. There are some conditions for this assigntion.

The following verses make it clear that this prescription is conditional, not unrestricted, or irrevocable,

It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, and if you again return (to disobedience) We too will return (to punishment). And We have made hell a prison for the unbelievers (17:8);

(Musa's words in the above-mentioned verse): "It may be that your Lord will destroy your enemy and make you rulers in the land, then He will see how you act" (7:128-9).

And when Musa said to his people: "Call to mind Allah's favor to you when He delivered you from Pharaoh's people... And when your Lord made it known: 'If you are grateful, I would certainly give you more; and if you are ungrateful, My chastisement is truly severe'" (14:6-7).

Because they disobeyed Allah and did not accept two great Messengers of Allah, i.e. Prophet Jesus(a.s.) and Prophet Muhammad(sawaws), so that the prescription is canceled.

Allah says,
The faithless among the Children of Israel were cursed on the tongue of David and Jesus son of Mary. That, because they would disobey and they used to commit transgression.(5:78)

All those verses didn't say that because of their tyranny Almighty GOD would cancel the promised land from their possession . These are talking about the punishments of different sorts but not cancellation of the promise of the land .

The only place where GOD's wrath prevailed in this matter is as follows :

[5:24] They said, "O Moses, we will never enter it, so long as they are in it. Therefore, go - you and your Lord - and fight. We are sitting right here."
[5:25] He said, "My Lord, I can only control myself and my brother. So, allow us to part company with the wicked people."
[5:26] He said, "Henceforth, it is forbidden them for forty years, during which they will roam the earth aimlessly. Do not grieve over such wicked people."

After 40 years of ban , they could manage to enter in the holly land .

 

[mojtaba]

All those verses didn't say that because of their tyranny Almighty GOD would cancel the promised land from their possession . These are talking about the punishments of different sorts but not cancellation of the promise of the land .

The only place where GOD's wrath prevailed in this matter is as follows :

[5:24] They said, "O Moses, we will never enter it, so long as they are in it. Therefore, go - you and your Lord - and fight. We are sitting right here."
[5:25] He said, "My Lord, I can only control myself and my brother. So, allow us to part company with the wicked people."
[5:26] He said, "Henceforth, it is forbidden them for forty years, during which they will roam the earth aimlessly. Do not grieve over such wicked people."

After 40 years of ban , they could manage to enter in the holly land .

Those verses which say that the prescription is conditional, not unrestricted, or irrevocable, are not for a specific time and are certainly for all the times, even now.
The verses are absolute with regards to the time. So, do not try to constrain your incorrect interpretation to the verses and fear from Allah.

It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, and if you again return (to disobedience) We too will return (to punishment). And We have made hell a prison for the unbelievers (17:8);

(Musa's words in the above-mentioned verse): "It may be that your Lord will destroy your enemy and make you rulers in the land, then He will see how you act"(7:128-9).

And when Musa said to his people: "Call to mind Allah's favor to you when He delivered you from Pharaoh's people... And when your Lord made it known: 'If you are grateful, I would certainly give you more; and if you are ungrateful, My chastisement is truly severe'" (14:6-7).

 

[Union]

Instead of condemn Israel for that, you tell the Palestinians to give up and leave their land !!
Edited to correct typo error
So because they killed everyday so they suppose don't defend for their self and leave their land to Jews ?

You may don't know about fighting for rights and resistance ?

Algerians got revolution in 1954-1962 against France colonisation , we paid 1.5 million martyrs and hunderds of thousand of handicapped , so we suppose to gave up to France ?

Now Syria fighting ISIS , so they suppose to gave up because innocents die everday?

Sorry this is not compasion , this is called gave up your rights / surrender .

Brother , you got me wrong . If you could have read my previous posts attentively , you could have seen a tone of reconciliation and not of giving up somebody's' right ...

My point is altogether to call to an end to this deadliest battle between Jews and Arabs . For 70 years 70,000..... innocent people died because Muslim carry a hot and misleading religious sentiment to evict the Jews from the land and Jews used their fieriest arm power to reply to it . As far as the Qur'an is concerned the promised land weighted to the Jews most and Muslims should compromise with Jews by establishing diplomatic relation to live with them in peace and harmony .

 

[FearGod]

Brother , you got me wrong . If you could have read my previous posts attentively , you could have seen a tone of reconciliation and not of giving up somebody's' right ...

You are basing your views on the quran, right

Then how you can live in peace with someones that the quran describes as tyrants and killers of the prophets,
maybe they're kind and peaceful people today that they got Palestine by peaceful means and not by force.

Read the history and see how the west made the Jewish state.

 

[Union]

Those verses which say that the prescription is conditional, not unrestricted, or irrevocable, are not for a specific time and are certainly for all the times, even now.
The verses are absolute with regards to the time. So, do not try to constrain your incorrect interpretation to the verses and fear from Allah.

It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, and if you again return (to disobedience) We too will return (to punishment). And We have made hell a prison for the unbelievers (17:8);

(Musa's words in the above-mentioned verse): "It may be that your Lord will destroy your enemy and make you rulers in the land, then He will see how you act"(7:128-9).

And when Musa said to his people: "Call to mind Allah's favor to you when He delivered you from Pharaoh's people... And when your Lord made it known: 'If you are grateful, I would certainly give you more; and if you are ungrateful, My chastisement is truly severe'" (14:6-7).

Why not produce a single verse pertains for their eviction from the promised land instead of making snakes out of ropes . That will help . The prophecy to gather Jews again doubly confirm that Almighty ALLAH never withdrew HIS promise about it .

 

[Union]

Since you don't use historic reference for verses of Quran (tafsir and hadith) you would never understand Quran perfectly.
That what Jews claim.
let me use your statement "No clue from Quran"
Quran NEVER said Al-Masjid Al Alqsa is in Temple Mount !

Please enlighten us with history in its background .

 

[Union]

You are basing your views on the quran, right

Then how you can live in peace with someones that the quran describes as tyrants and killers of the prophets,
maybe they're kind and peaceful people today that they got Palestine by peaceful means and not by force.

Read the history and see how the west made the Jewish state.

There are a lot of good people in Jews community as well . Muslims could have tried to reconcile with them , then we would know their true faces .

 

[FearGod]

There are a lot of good people in Jews community as well . Muslims could have tried to reconcile with them , then we would know their true faces .

If God planned then it would happen.

 

[Union]

If God planned then it would happen.

Amen . May it happen soon.

 

[mojtaba]

Why not produce a single verse pertains for their eviction from the promised land instead of making snakes out of ropes . That will help .

Talk sciencifically, not emotionaly. If you can not reject my logic, do not use such this unlogical manners.

The prophecy to gather Jews again doubly confirm that Almighty ALLAH never withdrew HIS promise about it .

Yes. The Prophcy about gathering of zionisms is indeed for their Destruction. Indeed, this gathering is for their Torment. See the verses, but not with your corrupter glasses.

Chapter 17
Then when the final promise came, [We sent your enemies] to sadden your faces and to enter the Mosque, as they entered it the first time, and to destroy what they had taken over with [total] destruction. (7)

After him We said to the Children of Israel, ‘Take up residence in the land, and when the occasion of the final promise comes, We shall gather you in mixed company.’ (104)

The verse 104 never means that palestine is for Jews.