My point is they would have to agree if they didn't make up who God is in their heads. Right?
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JHVH+ALLAH+GOD the father in Heaven= The real "trinity"
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Disciple, God is God of peace, man is people of war, what makes you believe every time a man tells you God told him to kill so and so, that that is God's idea to kill, not the man's. Jesus is called the Prince of Peace, look that up in your Bible.
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Every religion has problems with people that make things up then claim or actually think God said them, I agree. Nowdays many of them are on medications, to make their "god" shut up.
Animal sacrifice is to my mind a pagan concept, how it worked its way into the Israelites claiming God told them to do it, that's a good example of something I think may have been made up by man, only hearing what they wanted to believe. Jesus was claimed to end animal sacrifice for the Jews, but scholars say it didn't totally end for another 800 years, The buddha preached against killing animals, and today Hindus say the buddha was responsible for Hindus ending animal sacrifice, although its still going on in Nepal every 7 years by some Hindu cult, thousands of thousands of animals slaughtered and only a few actually used for food.
How about Elohim and Eloah in hebrew ? which is close to Allah and Elahi in Arabic spelling .
THE HEBREW NAMES OF GOD USING EL, ELOAH, ELOHIM
THE HEBREW NAMES OF GOD USING EL, ELOAH, ELOHIM
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How can the God of the Bible, and the God of the Muslim religion be the same? Jesus said "I am" because he was God, and is part of the trinity. However, the Muslim religion rejects Jesus as being devine, and the Muslim religion claims Jesus was a prophet of a man. If you accept The Muslim God and the Biblical God as being the same, then you have to reject Jesus Christ being God or devine.
Salek Atesh
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You'd... be surprised. I've talked with a number of Christians who seem to insist Allah is some evil entity and not at all their god, Elah (completely different name, no resemblance whatsoever
). I've heard some assert Allah is the devil in disguise, or a few crackpot theories about him being a pagan moon god (despite the fact that the crescent moon symbol was a much later addition to Islam).To be fair, there are plenty who hate Islam and acknowledge Allah is the same god, but there are crazies out there.
And, of course, there is still no need for shouting. OP claims Taoism, so I'll point out that the subtlety of water is better for change than brashness.
Salek Atesh
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Theoretical question, did the Arians (followers of Arius, an early Christian sect who disagreed with the notion that Jesus was God, but accepted every other notion about Christianity) worship the same God as the God of the Bible??
Herasy is a legitimate charge as it pertains to Roman Catholic Doctrine. Mormons do not find Jesus Christ as being devine or being God, and by Roman Catholic Standards are a Herasy religion. Would not the Arius sect be practicing Herasy by Roman Catholic Standards?
Salek Atesh
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Heresy was not the question. Certainly you can conceive of people you would conceive as holding heretical beliefs while still being Christian, correct??
The question is not of their heresy, but: Are they worshipping the Christian God, Elah, YHWH, Elohim, Theos??
Herasy is deny Jesus Christ is God...not worshipping the incarnation of God in Jesus Christ. Roman Catholic Doctrine is based on the Trinity of Father, Son, and the Holy Spririt as being the same. As a Christian you can't worship the God the Father without worshiping at the same time God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
Desert Snake
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@OP
I'm not really sure what 'gods' you're talking about. In the book of Hebrews, the 'father' clearly calls Jesus God, and the creator. If you want to tell me to look something up in 'my Bible', about Jesus, it is only under that context that will have any relevance to me. I worship Jesus as God.
I'm not really sure what 'gods' you're talking about. In the book of Hebrews, the 'father' clearly calls Jesus God, and the creator. If you want to tell me to look something up in 'my Bible', about Jesus, it is only under that context that will have any relevance to me. I worship Jesus as God.
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as i hread that even The Christians are not agree about Jesus (pbuh) devine, some said it's God , some said it's part of God , some said he is son of God .
Jesus (pbuh) was great messanger and prophet , and he is the word of God in Mary (pbuh) viginia .
Just intersting, how about The Jews , whom rejecting Jesus (pbuh) totally ?
( i am not takling about new religions arthodox Jews or protestante .)
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That right no one had the keys of heaven or hell except God .
Many cults are derived from Christianity, and claim to be Christians, like Mormoms and Jehovah's Witnesses. There are three test that will distingush a Herasy cult from christianity:
1.) a cult rejects the devinity of Jesus Christ
2.) The elders have "secret" knowledge supplement to the Bible
3.) performing tasks for the church equals faith.
Yes, the Jews rejected Jesus...but why was the jewish nation established in the first place by new testiment standards? Isn't it also interesting that a Roman citizen, greek educated, and Jew named Paul wrote almost half of the new testiment. By the history of the Jewish nation being conquered... synagogues were established through out Paul's time so that he could travel the roads of the Roman empire and preach about Jesus Christ in the synagogues through out the known world. Isn't it intersting that synagogues were established in the known world just as Paul started his ministry? And he was Greek educated and a Roman Citizen which was very special. Churches were derived from the synagogues.
New Living Translation Revelation 9:1
Then the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen to earth from the sky, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit.
Maybe mainstream Pauline Christianity is the "Cult" and almost all the other true believers were put to death by the Romans and the early Catholic church......