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That a political system tell you, you can not believe so or so because the dictator say so has nothing to do with spiritual freedom to believe what is true to that individual person.
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Joanne Rowling and witchcraft
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Spirit of Light
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Do you watch TV? Did you watch TV as a child?
VoidCat
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again their religion has rules against it so it's trangression against nature everythng is part of it. My religion has no written doctrine just the person's morals and the nothing goes against the laws of nature cuz Nature is my Divinity
Contemporary Jews thought that all of the miracles of Jesus were sorcery.
Jesus in the Talmud - Wikipedia
According to the link above, the Talmud says:
On (Sabbath eve and) the eve of Passover, Jesus the Nazarene was hanged and a herald went forth before him forty days heralding, "Jesus the Nazarene is going forth to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and instigated and seduced Israel to idolatry. Whoever knows anything in defense may come and state it." But since they did not find anything in his defense they hanged him on (Sabbath eve and) the eve of Passover. Ulla said: "Do you suppose that Jesus the Nazarene was one for whom a defense could be made? He was a mesit (someone who instigated Israel to idolatry), concerning whom the Merciful [God] says: Show him no compassion and do not shield him (Deut. 13:9).
But, if you didn't know this, you might have been reading the Shortmud.
President W. Bush uses his moral compass. That's a point on one end, a pencil on the other, and it draws a perfect circle. So, when trying to tell the truth, he goes around and around. I wonder if he should get one of those magnetic doohickies?
I found this
- "Little is known about biblical witchcraft." --https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/witches-witchcraft/
- "The exact difference between the three forbidden forms of necromancy mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:11 is a matter of uncertainty;" -- Witchcraft and divination in the Hebrew Bible - Wikipedia
- "While there are definitely some direct mentions of witchcraft in the Bible, it isn’t the main focus throughout the writings. It can be seen as a form of religion associated with nature before people had religious institutions and books. Even so, magic and spells have become more popular because of pop culture through movies and television." -- https://www.improvemagic.com/witchcraft-definition-in-the-bible
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https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/witches-witchcraft/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witchcraft_and_divination_in_the_Hebrew_Bible
https://www.improvemagic.com/witchcraft-definition-in-the-bible
Errrr...okay.
Sadly - or luckily? - Jewish sources typically don't get into the specifics. The Talmud makes a general statement here. Some commentators suggest that miraculous events ascribed to Jesus in the NT were actually caused by witchcraft. I know @dybmh has done some research on this subject of dark powers Jesus may have been dabbling with.
Spirit of Light
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Can Jesus have had knowledge about kabbalah?
Sure. Some medieval retellings of Jesus's life ascribe mystical knowledge to him which he used for evil purposes.
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Why would Jesus do evil deeds?
I don't think anyone is really clear on that, but then again, why does anyone do evil? In the traditional Jewish view, Jesus is no different from any other evil person, it's just that he lucked out to become mega-super-ultra famous.
epronovost
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It forbids drawings and other forms of visual arts (of you go for a particularly rigorist view of that commandment), but it doesn't forbids telling stories of fiction, unless they are blasphemous in nature (again from a particularly rigorist point of view). Is Harry Potter blasphemous? Not exactly since witchcraft in the Bible and for Ancient Hebrew is very different from witchcraft in pop culture and fantasy.
Thank you. That is useful for some conversations. It won't be accepted by most people -- a passage claiming Jesus is stoned for idolatry. I will explain what I think. One issue is that Talmud interpretation is complicated to begin with. I wouldn't know how to interpret whether this was claimed to be an actual account or an imaginary moot case. Another issue is that I don't need the Talmud to find a definition for witchcraft. I haven't shared the biblical argument, because I don't want to debate it in this thread about Harry Potter. There is one though.
I can ask what a real Talmud scholar thinks about the passage in Talmud, but reading it myself reveals very little about what the point of the passage is. I think not everything in the Talmud 'Happens'. The passage about Jesus of Nazareth could be in there to provoke a conversation about a topic such as idolatry or about stoning or any number of things that I am unaware of. Talmud has got discussion and complicated figures of speech and possibly Paul Bunyan, and by the way Jews might use Jesus in unorthodox stories if they like. They know this, and there is no prohibition against it in Christianity like there is in Islam today ( and there is no Islam at the time the Talmud is written onto paper ). One question is: is it an account or a moot case? If Jesus in the Talmud is stoned incorrectly or with improper judgment, then that probably isn't an account and never happened. So for example if you're writing in the Talmud and want to bring up a hypothetical situation about someone stoned unjustly you might just grab Jesus of Nazareth, since to you he's basically nobody. Your focus is on the law, because that's what Talmud is about. If you throw in some kind of improper procedure such as "He was stoned for chewing gum during recess" then everybody reading Talmud should be expert enough to determine you aren't talking about a real situation. Talmud is complicated, and its best not to get uneducated people reading it or anyone not really invested in spending the time to understand it.
I see another problem with using this as source material about witchcraft in the biblical canon. It says he is stoned for seducing Israel to idolatry; but it doesn't explicitly state that is the definition of witchcraft. So it doesn't give us anything we don't already have. I interpolate that witchcraft means you try to turn the nation away from following Torah, but there is nothing here which states it. I can interpolate that without Talmud, so I don't need Talmud for that. Actually I came to that conclusion already and have posted about it, but its just my interpolation, my opinion. I can't bring it home for dinner -- can't overturn centuries of superstition.
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Sand Dancer
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I must have missed that part of the ride.
Spirit of Light
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Even I have seen those movies, and I have to say they were not at all offensive to me, they were fun and entertaining
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@questfortruth are computers a sin to use since neither Jesus or God have said anything about it? or cellphones
or cellphones 
Guitar's Cry
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Christians work magic all the time. They just call it something else then define the symbols and rituals of other religions as "witchcraft" in order to fascistically promote their own.
Sheldon
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One unevidenced fantasy has offended another? Meh, I'm ok with it.
May I suggest if you don't like Harry Potter, just don't watch or read it? That's not that hard now is it.