Joanne Rowling and witchcraft

[Sheldon]

So what about Lord of The Rings? Where are we on Tolkien?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Only if it's plain chocolate, that milk chocolate is clearly the work of Beelzebub.

I thought it was Dumbledore

 

[Harel13]

that milk chocolate is clearly the work of Beelzebub.

Heresy!

 

[ppp]

Heresy.

God does not magic, God does miracles.

Police does not murder, police executes.

Police do murder. Your thinking is flawed.

 

[SomeRandom]

It’s worth noting that wizardry is a long-standing part of English folklore. The wizard Merlin who helps the rightful and “divinely ordained” King Arthur comes to mind

Also you can’t really do spells using a stick and shouting random words from the Romance languages. I know that is crushing news but it is what it is

 

[blü 2]

1. The main "good guy" is Harry Potter.
2. He does witchcraft.

No, he does magic, even though the ladies in the story are called witches.

If he were doing witchcraft, he'd be invoking supernatural entities with his spells. Instead, there's an implied science behind Rowling's magic, although it's never explained ─ in Book 1 when Harry first goes to Hogwarts, his schoolbooks include "Magical Theory by Adelbert Waffling", but there's no Magical Theory class that we're told of, so the rest is silence.

3. Witchcraft is sin according to Holy Bible.

That's basically a blasphemy rule. For example the NT promises that Jesus will answer all your prayers ─ "ask, and it shall be given" ─ but the same promise made by an outsider is competition and must be stamped out. That's not how Harry's magic is portrayed.

Instead, the power to perform 'magic' is a genetic trait, something that must be inherited.

4. Joanne Rowling is follower of Bible, not enemy of it.

See above.

 

[questfortruth]

Also you can’t really do spells using a stick and shouting random words from the Romance languages. I know that is crushing news but it is what it is

There is nothing to learn in real Hogwarts. The devil is right beside each human, and waits his "orders". But it is sin.

 

[SomeRandom]

There is nothing to learn in real Hogwarts. The devil is right beside each human, and waits his "orders". But it is sin.

What sin? They’re kids going to school.
It’s just a setting to make nods and reference to various classical myth really.

Incidentally Hogwarts or at least the idea for a Wizarding school is ripped straight from the Worst Witch series from like the 1970s. Or likely a trope older than both

 

[Jainarayan]

Have some chocolate, you'll feel better.

Sort of like

 

[Jainarayan]

It is close to promoting witchcraft. It is far from condemning deeds of Potter.

The tv shows Bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie, Paranormal Caught on Camera; The Lord of the Rings, with Gandalf speaking spell commands at the Bridge of Khazad-dum. The list goes on. Do you want to ban all literature and arts not up to snuff with your Christian POV? Christianity has about 2.3 billion followers, about 31% of the world’s population. It’s not all about Christianity, nor should it be.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

The tv shows Bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie, Paranormal Caught on Camera; The Lord of the Rings, with Gandalf speaking spell commands at the Bridge of Khazad-dum. The list goes on. Do you want to ban all literature and arts not up to snuff with your Christian POV? Christianity has about 2.3 billion followers, about 31% of the world’s population. It’s not all about Christianity, nor should it be.

Let's not forget the Chronicles of Narnia, there was also a witch and magic throughout the books, and movies.

 

[ppp]

The tv shows Bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie, Paranormal Caught on Camera; The Lord of the Rings, with Gandalf speaking spell commands at the Bridge of Khazad-dum. The list goes on. Do you want to ban all literature and arts not up to snuff with your Christian POV? Christianity has about 2.3 billion followers, about 31% of the world’s population. It’s not all about Christianity, nor should it be.

I worked with a guy back in 2000 who was annoyed that in Gladiator Russel Crowe's character worshipped household gods through small idols. Instead of a cross. He actually cared enough to bring it up two or three times over the week following the release. How dare any other culture exist and be depicted.

 

[Yazata]

It’s worth noting that wizardry is a long-standing part of English folklore. The wizard Merlin who helps the rightful and “divinely ordained” King Arthur comes to mind.

True. The same thing is true of the early medieval church. For example, take Bede's The History of the English Church and People. Bede (673-735 CE) was one of the most learned men of his time and place and his book is an account of how the Pagan Anglo-Saxons were converted to Christianity. But the striking thing is that his account rarely mentions the Bible, the familiar Christian story or Jesus. Instead it is the story of various saints and other religious individuals progressing through the countryside performing wonders, miracles and magic.

Many of the titles of the book's short chapters are descriptions of miraculous events:

'Of the signs which were shown from heaven when a mother of that congregation departed from life.' 'A blind woman, praying in that monastery, was restored to her sight', 'How a certain captive's chains fell off when masses were sung for him', 'The same St. Cuthbert, being an anchorite, by his prayers obtained a spring in a dry soil and has a crop from seed sown by himself out of season', 'St. Cuthbert's body was found altogether uncorrupted after it had been buried eleven years', 'Of one who was cured of a palsy at the tomb of St. Cuthbert', 'How Ethelwald, successor to Cuthbert, leading an eremetical life, calmed a tempest when the brethren were in danger at sea', 'How Bishop John cured a dumb man by blessing him', 'The same Bishop John, by his prayers, healed a sick maiden', 'The same Bishop recovered one of the Earl's servants from death', How miraculous cures have been frequently done in the place where King Oswald was killed, and how first, a traveller's horse was restored, and afterwards a young girl cured of palsy', 'Of the heavenly light that appeared all the night over the bones of King Oswald, and how persons possessed of devils were delivered by his bones', 'How Bishop Aidan foretold to certain seamen a storm that would happen, and gave them some holy oil to lay it'... And many more where those came from.

It really looks like the first Christian evangelists in these places converted the kings of the Anglo Saxons by selling themselves as superior and more powerful magicians and wizards. And interestingly, when a king personally converted to Christianity, he not only acquired some of the magic himself (as in the mentions of King Oswald above), he would simultaneously proclaim the conversion of his whole people. And those dates of the king's conversion are the dates still given in history books today for the conversion of Mercia, East Anglia and the other kingdoms, as if these populations were all pagans a day earlier and all Christians a day later. Of course most of the people of those kingdoms probably had no idea that the king had converted to some magical wizarding caricature of Christianity and they and their descendants continued to worship the old gods as they always had for centuries more.

I would wager that the initial conversion of most of northern and eastern Europe happened in much the same way. It was at least in some part the conversion of local rulers to what they perceived as a more powerful kind of magic. (Of course there were other more worldly attractions as well, such as Christianity bringing with it the more sophisticated Greek and Latin cultures of the Mediterranean world, increased trade opportunities etc.)

Also you can’t really do spells using a stick and shouting random words from the Romance languages. I know that is crushing news but it is what it is

WHAT????

(Waves stick)

Exorcizamuste, omnis immunde spiritus!

 

[Windwalker]

So I've been inspired to watch the Harry Potter's movies now on HBO. Interesting fact. Half way through the first movie, they're all celebrating Christmas at Hogwarts. Saying Merry Christmas, decorating trees, and everything.

So much of this movie being against Christianity. Deck the Halls with wands and wizards, fa la la la, la la la la.

Some people just don't have anything better to do with their energies, it seems.

 

[SomeRandom]

True. The same thing is true of the early medieval church. For example, take Bede's The History of the English Church and People. Bede (673-735 CE) was one of the most learned men of his time and place and his book is an account of how the Pagan Anglo-Saxons were converted to Christianity. But the striking thing is that his account rarely mentions the Bible, the familiar Christian story or Jesus. Instead it is the story of various saints and other religious individuals progressing through the countryside performing wonders, miracles and magic.

Interesting. Sounds like a travelling troop of gypsies. Only more inclined to invoke the name of Jesus I guess.
I’m not too versed on my history. But is there a connection there or just a fun coincidence?

Many of the titles of the book's short chapters are descriptions of miraculous events:

'Of the signs which were shown from heaven when a mother of that congregation departed from life.' 'A blind woman, praying in that monastery, was restored to her sight', 'How a certain captive's chains fell off when masses were sung for him', 'The same St. Cuthbert, being an anchorite, by his prayers obtained a spring in a dry soil and has a crop from seed sown by himself out of season', 'St. Cuthbert's body was found altogether uncorrupted after it had been buried eleven years', Of one who was cured of a palsy at the tomb of St. Cuthbert', How Ethelwald, successor to Cuthbert, leading an eremetical life, calmed a tempest when the brethren were in danger at sea', 'How Bishop John cured a dumb man by blessing him', 'The same Bishop John, by his prayers, healed a sick maiden', 'The same Bishop recovered one of the Earl's servants from death', How miraculous cures have been frequently done in the place where King Oswald was killed, and how first, a traveller's horse was restored, and afterwards a young girl cured of palsy', 'Of the heavenly light that appeared all the night over the bones of King Oswald, and how persons possessed of devils were delivered by his bones', 'How Bishop Aidan foretold to certain seamen a storm that would happen, and gave them some holy oil to lay it'... And many more where those came from.

It really looks like the first Christian evangelists in these places converted the kings of the Anglo Saxons by selling themselves as superior and more powerful magicians and wizards. And interestingly, when a king personally converted to Christianity, he not only acquired some of the magic himself (as in the mentions of King Oswald above), he would simultaneously proclaim the conversion of his whole people. And those dates of the king's conversion are the dates still given in history books today for the conversion of Mercia, East Anglia and the other kingdoms, as if these populations were all pagans a day earlier and all Christians a day later. Of course most of the people of those kingdoms probably had no idea that the king had converted to some magical wizarding caricature of Christianity and they and their descendants continued to worship the old gods as they always had for centuries more.

Lol sounds like the priests from Prince of Egypt.
Interesting.

I would wager that the initial conversion of most of northern and eastern Europe happened in much the same way. It was at least in some part the conversion of local rulers to what they perceived as a more powerful kind of magic. (Of course there were other more worldly attractions as well, such as Christianity bringing with it the more sophisticated Greek and Latin cultures of the Mediterranean world, increased trade opportunities etc.)

Wow. So kind of like the Silk roads just with more Jesus?

WHAT????

(Waves stick)

Exorcizamuste, omnis immunde spiritus!

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Facts are:

1. The main "good guy" is Harry Potter.
2. He does witchcraft.
3. Witchcraft is sin according to Holy Bible.
4. Joanne Rowling is follower of Bible, not enemy of it.

These are contradictory facts, which are being accepted by mind.
Contradiction inside mind is split of the mind.
The split is schizophrenia.

Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned satan’s so-called deep secrets

Revelation 2:24.


Sin does not exist, but Sin is present.


It is close to promoting witchcraft. It is far from condemning deeds of Potter.


O, there many Christian motives in her books. For example, the scene, where Harry Potter is in afterlife.


But it is playing with the fire.

Heresy.

God does not magic, God does miracles.

Police does not murder, police executes.


The views are usually changing in time.


No problem. Some Jew accepts Jesus. God does not care about statistics of these transition rates.
Healthy person should not care about some things. He should not care about satan going to hell.
God is person.


Jesus is God and Human, it is my faith testimony.


The witch was not portrait as main good guy.

Rowling wrote FICTION. You might have heard of it. It is not real. You can stop piling up logs at the stake now, thank you.