YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Indeed! What our society really needs is MORE debauchery and MORE degeneracy! Go team!
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Jordan Peterson on Sex
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Who gets to define "debauchery" and "degeneracy" for everyone?
Many people think of homosexuality, premarital sex, or even friendships between men and women as such. Their views dictate everyone else's lives in places like Iran, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia. I'm glad that doesn't happen in any developed country.
Wanting young people to be educated on sexuality in order to make good decisions is hardly 'debauchery'. *Staff Edit*
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It's obviously happening here as well. 'Don't say Gay' being just one example. The demonization of trans people seeking to match their physical appearance with their brain chemistry being another.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Society does, like it or not.
You are welcome to explain the errors in their thinking to them anytime. I'm sure they would love to hear your thoughts on the matter.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I'd be happy if schools made students proficient at math, reading and writing. The US has a dismal record in this dept. but at least the kids are now exploring their deep and ever so meaningful gender identity.
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Great job!! - I see the "Staff" gifting coming out!
IMV - there are always differences in most any field and more-so in this particular one.
But, as I view it, the Occam's Razor's position that "usually the simplest answer is usually correct" may apply here. If we look at the history, as sexuality changed beyond the monogamous, simple definitions of "male and female" positions, and the intimacy between the opposite sexes changed to more complex definitions, the society usually deteriorated and succumbed to the destruction of that society.
According to this site, there is a correlation between sexual permissiveness and the deterioration of that society.
Secret Chief
Degrow!
I thought the woman in the second video was very...tactful in her choice of language....
Excuse me, but what the hell else is there to do? I think we've done quite enough!
Society doesn't agree on everything, and it has been the case on many occasions throughout history that prevalent social norms haven't been humane, respectful of basic rights, or conducive to coexistence.
If you choose to appeal to society, what do you think of the prevalent social norms concerning sexuality in Iran or Pakistan? Does said norms' prevalence lend them any credence or merit?
I don't know what this comment has to do with the substance of what I said. It comes across as venting or snark rather than a reasoned argument.
There are indeed many people who have explained what's wrong with those societies' theocratic restrictions on individual freedoms. It's unsafe to do so unless one lives in another country, though, and there are many factors involved in perpetuating such restrictions beyond what debates or critical explanations can change on their own.
Secret Chief
Degrow!
Yes, the opinions of a pastor of All Saints of North America Orthodox Church and an Orthodox priest under the Russian Orthodox Outside of Russia.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Apparently you didn't read it... please note what who he is quoting:
"A non-Christian, and as relativistic as any modern anthropologist,"
Potentially what this means is that you simply don't agree (not a problem, many people don't) - but do read the historical evidence from a non-christian.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
There are still animals and small children....
Oh, but societies do decide what is ok and what is not ok within its jurisdiction.
I don't agree with them, but they have every right to do whatever they like in their own country.
and...
And where are these advanced societies with grossly paternalistic attitudes about sex that are the envy of the world?IMV - there are always differences in most any field and more-so in this particular one.
But, as I view it, the Occam's Razor's position that "usually the simplest answer is usually correct" may apply here. If we look at the history, as sexuality changed beyond the monogamous, simple definitions of "male and female" positions, and the intimacy between the opposite sexes changed to more complex definitions, the society usually deteriorated and succumbed to the destruction of that society.
According to this site, there is a correlation between sexual permissiveness and the deterioration of that society.
Sure, but many of Peterson's differences are rooted in individual belief, not peer-reviewed evidence. There's a reason that some differing theories in psychology have academic support despite not being in full agreement with one another. On the other hand, some of Peterson's views are almost entirely divorced from the positions of any reputable psychology organization and aren't backed up by any peer-reviewed research.
But, as I view it, the Occam's Razor's position that "usually the simplest answer is usually correct" may apply here. If we look at the history, as sexuality changed beyond the monogamous, simple definitions of "male and female" positions, and the intimacy between the opposite sexes changed to more complex definitions, the society usually deteriorated and succumbed to the destruction of that society.
According to this site, there is a correlation between sexual permissiveness and the deterioration of that society.
Currently, the world's most prosperous and wealthiest societies are far more sexually permissive than most of the developing and third world. I think one would need to analyze individual examples of supposed deterioration to see whether they were related to sexual norms at all in the first place.
As for the website, I don't see any evidence or fact-based arguments in that article. It's conspicuously preachy and ideological, which doesn't surprise me considering the description of the site:
Yes, just as some societies practiced slavery within their own jurisdictions. I don't think that says anything about the validity of any given set of social norms; it only states that the norms are popular or prevalent within a specific region.
See above. Also, I disagree: I don't think the majority anywhere have a right to abuse or persecute minorities. However, they often do so because they can, so what ends up happening in many cases is that the abuse only stops or is minimized when prevalent social attitudes change due to a multitude of factors (e.g., the economy, education system, exposure to other cultures with more tolerant norms, etc.).
Yes, that's what scary. And incest, too, as we have been recently reminded.
I noticed all the rather blasé attitudes towards that...