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Jordan Peterson on Sex

Firenze

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I'd be happy if schools made students proficient at math, reading and writing. The US has a dismal record in this dept. but at least the kids are now exploring their deep and ever so meaningful gender identity.
When gender identity is not demonized by those who are generally ignorant of sexuality and especially embryology - those young people tend to do much better in core subjects. And in a country obsessed with sex and eager to enter bedrooms to tell people how evil they are - it's little wonder their kids are incompetent in school.
 
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Firenze

Active Member
Premium Member
Excuse me, but what the hell else is there to do? I think we've done quite enough!
Well, Christians could start by educating themselves on sexuality instead of acting like 5 year olds obsessed with it. That might result in a reversal of their tendency to act like intellectually limited bigots that demonize gay and trans people with their desire to 'fix' them with conversion therapy - or slobbering over QAnon theories that these kids are being 'groomed'. One of the biggest groomers in this society are the clergy. Trans kids are not the problem. It's the society so repressed that they want to 'pray the gay away' that is the problem.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
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Well, Christians could start by educating themselves on sexuality instead of acting like 5 year olds obsessed with it. That might result in a reversal of their tendency to act like intellectually limited bigots that demonize gay and trans people with their desire to 'fix' them with conversion therapy - or slobbering over QAnon theories that these kids are being 'groomed'.

Which Christians, though? Many Christians live their lives without trying to encroach on others' rights and freedoms. I don't think one should generalize about such a diverse large group based on specific extreme views of a subset.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
It's My Birthday!
Well, Christians could start by educating themselves on sexuality instead of acting like 5 year olds obsessed with it. That might result in a reversal of their tendency to act like intellectually limited bigots that demonize gay and trans people with their desire to 'fix' them with conversion therapy - or slobbering over QAnon theories that these kids are being 'groomed'. One of the biggest groomers in this society are the clergy. Trans kids are not the problem. It's the society so repressed that they want to 'pray the gay away' that is the problem.
You lost me with your irrelevant, hateful ranting about Christians.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
When gender identity is not demonized by those who are generally ignorant of sexuality and especially embryology - those young people tend to do much better in core subjects. And in a country obsessed with sex and eager to enter bedrooms to tell people how evil they are - it's little wonder their kids are incompetent in school.
Heaven forbid we scrap the whole gender identity gong show and get back to reality. But, you folks have already opened Pandora's box, so there really is no going back from here.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I believe the claim you cited was that sexually permissive societies fail. That implies that sexually repressed societies thrive. Where are they?
No... you are presenting only two alternatives or at least the wording isn't correct. Is it "repressive" to promote healthy abundant intimate unions in an monogamous relationship?
 

Firenze

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Premium Member
Which Christians, though? Many Christians live their lives without trying to encroach on others' rights and freedoms. I don't think one should generalize about such a diverse large group based on specific extreme views of a subset.
I'm speaking of the thousands of Christians that I know. I'm including the moderates - and they are legion - that sit back and do nothing in the face of the extremists. They may not be actively encroaching on rights, but they consistently fail to call out those that do. I have to fight Christians every day. I fight to keep them off of my grandkids school boards where they seek to throw out science books and now history books. I fight to keep them from demonizing gay and trans kids based on their ignorance of both sexuality and the bible. Where are the Christians fighting this movement toward a theocracy? I'd love to meet them.
 

Firenze

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Heaven forbid we scrap the whole gender identity gong show and get back to reality. But, you folks have already opened Pandora's box, so there really is no going back from here.
Your ignorance of the 'reality' of sexuality is common. The 'reality' is that every single human embryo starts out as female. It's only through a 'genetic wash' initiated by a Y chromosome that changes the embryo from female to male. But nature makes mistakes. The change has to occur in both the genitalia AND the brain chemistry. When the change is altered by nature or nurture - we get things like a child born with both a penis and ovaries. What is its gender? We have no clue. We have to have enough respect for them to ASK them. Further, we often get children born with fully male genitalia, but a brain chemistry that is female. This is the 'reality' of sexuality. Demonizing these children for this occurrence in nature is no different from seeking to cut of the hands of the left handed because some barbarian based religion calls them evil.
 
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YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Your ignorance of the 'reality' of sexuality is common.
Thank you so very much for your opinion. You are too kind!
The 'reality' is that every single human embryo starts out as female. It's only through a 'genetic wash' initiated by a Y chromosome that changes the embryo from female to male.
So far, so good. (Where do I get to learn summin?)
But nature makes mistakes.
A curious way to put it, but whatever.
The change has to occur in both the genitalia AND the brain chemistry.
*Nods* and...
When the change is altered by nature or nurture
Or nurture? Que? As in a test tube?
- we get things like a child born with both a penis and ovaries.
*nods* and...
What is its gender?
Last I heard, we call them Intersex, but I don't keep up on the literature, sorry.
You have no clue.
Golly, you got me there. What don't I have a clue about again?
Further, we often get children born with fully male genitalia, but a brain chemistry that is female.
Yes, I have read about that too.
This is the 'reality' of sexuality.
Thank you so much for the kind lesson. I am truly humbled.
Demonizing these children for this occurrence in nature is no different from seeking to cut of the hands of the left handed because your religion calls them evil.
What religion would that be?

Beside, I am not demonizing these poor kids.

I may very well be demonizing the ghouls and idiots who are affirming their confusion, however.
 

Firenze

Active Member
Premium Member
Thank you so very much for your opinion. You are too kind!

So far, so good. (Where do I get to learn summin?)

A curious way to put it, but whatever.

*Nods* and...

Or nurture? Que? As in a test tube?

*nods* and...

Last I heard, we call them Intersex, but I don't keep up on the literature, sorry.

Golly, you got me there. What don't I have a clue about again?

Yes, I have read about that too.

Thank you so much for the kind lesson. I am truly humbled.

What religion would that be?

Beside, I am not demonizing these poor kids.

I may very well be demonizing the ghouls and idiots who are affirming their confusion, however.
We call them intersex only until they can communicate to us how their brain identifies. Those that respect them accept their identity. Those who don't call them 'confused' while ignoring their own confusion.

You must mean the 'ghouls and idiots' that are the actual experts on sexuality.
 

Secret Chief

Degrow!
Apparently you didn't read it... please note what who he is quoting:

"A non-Christian, and as relativistic as any modern anthropologist,"

Potentially what this means is that you simply don't agree (not a problem, many people don't) - but do read the historical evidence from a non-christian.
I stand collected. JD Unwin then? A historical analysis that he published in 1934 (Sex and Culture) based on Sigmund Freud's theory of sexual sublimation?
 
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icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
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It's precisely why the US has the highest sex crime rates of any industrialized nation. It's also why European countries have had unisex restrooms for decades while repressed Americans lose their minds over the thought of it

Can you connect the dots between your two sentences?
 

Firenze

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Premium Member
Can you connect the dots between your two sentences?
They already are. Religious repression gives sex an emphasis it does not need, resulting in higher rates of sex crimes in those countries dominated by religion. In this respect the US is closer to Afghanistan than to Sweden, or virtually any other industrialized nation. Countries that don't have this intellectual limitation have found that both sexes can actually use the same restroom without fear of sexual predation.
 

Brickjectivity

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Can you connect the dots between your two sentences?
I was wondering the same, and I was also wondering where to find data that gives the USA such a relatively high crime rate? Is it the data from 1984 to 1988? That is from over twenty years ago, and in those years how many developed countries are interested in publishing their relative crime rates? Politicians hate to be embarrassed by inconvenient truths when it affects their own public polls. What I notice is that crime in USA has been decreasing since 1988, and there are 50 states here each with very different crime rates. Overall just based on googling it looks like our crime rate is between that of France and the UK. Where are they getting "7 times" from? They don't say, which sounds fishy to me.
"The violent crime rate in the United States has decreased sharply over the past 25 years. Crimes rates vary significantly between the states, with states with such as Alaska, New Mexico, and Tennessee experiencing much higher crime rates than states such as Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont..." from this page online: Crime Rate by Country 2023
 

Firenze

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I was wondering the same, and I was also wondering where to find data that gives the USA such a relatively high crime rate? Is it the data from 1984 to 1988? That is from over twenty years ago, and in those years how many developed countries are interested in publishing their relative crime rates? Politicians hate to be embarrassed by inconvenient truths when it affects their own public polls. What I notice is that crime in USA has been decreasing since 1988, and there are 50 states here each with very different crime rates. Overall just based on googling it looks like our crime rate is between that of France and the UK. Where are they getting "7 times" from? They don't say, which sounds fishy to me.
"The violent crime rate in the United States has decreased sharply over the past 25 years. Crimes rates vary significantly between the states, with states with such as Alaska, New Mexico, and Tennessee experiencing much higher crime rates than states such as Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont..." from this page online: Crime Rate by Country 2023
The violent crime rate is irrelevant. The topic is sex crimes. The most recent data shows the US with an incidence of sex crimes against women at almost double the incidence in Europe.

 

Brickjectivity

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They already are. Religious repression gives sex an emphasis it does not need, resulting in higher rates of sex crimes in those countries dominated by religion. In this respect the US is closer to Afghanistan than to Sweden, or virtually any other industrialized nation. Countries that don't have this intellectual limitation have found that both sexes can actually use the same restroom without fear of sexual predation.
I doubt the USA is the best example of what you are talking about simply because lots of other things about us are unique. We had televisions early on, for example. We recently underwent integration of a subjugated population, in which respect we are like South Africa. The intuition you have seems shaky. Have you considered the effects of human trafficking, pornography and a past of institutional segregation? It doesn't sound like it, and instead it sounds like you are mistaking correlation for causation.
 
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