Jordanian court has begun blasphemy proceedings against Danish artist Kurt Westergaard

[tumbleweed41]

This whole "you insulted our prophet, now you must pay!!" is barbaric thinking and reminiscent of the Inquisition "thought police" hunting down heretics.
Islam cannot call itself a religion of 'peace' until it can, in the public eye, rid itself of the primitive dogma that keeps it five centuries behind the rest of the world.

1. US invades iraq, it kills innocent people and muslims should not fight back because we follow a religion of peace.

Irrelevant to my post. Read it again.

2. if we fight back then we are terrorist for fighting back.

Irrelevant to my post. Read it again.

3. idiots insult our religion for no justifiable reason and then when we react it just shows what an intolerable religion we follow.

Yes

 

[Gharib]

Murder=/=insulting a long dead 'prophet'.

please show where i have said that he should be killed just for drawing/insulting our prophet if you are truthful.

 

[Rakhel]

Who the prophet is and what one draws of them has nothing to do with our beliefs or our faith in G-d.
Yes, what they said is important to us. However, what others think of them is not. We revere Karo and Rambam and Ruth and Rachel and all the others who have defined Judaism, however, we don't much care what others think of them. Hell, Rehab was a prostitute who happened to be David's grandmother. Abigail disobeyed her husband when she fed David's army. David slept with someone else's wife.

Jesus and Paul turned Judaism on it's ear and a new religion emerged. Mary got pregnant out of wedlock, Peter lied about what he knew. The other Mary was also a prostitute.

None of this has any baring on our faith in who or what HaShem is or isn't.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

1. arabs and arabs with a 'muslim' name do not necessarily represent islam or are muslims.

So are you saying that the attackers who beat a Jewish lecturer for reading the Quran in a manner they deemed disrespectful weren't Muslim? If so, please tell us how you came to this conclusion.

2. where are your links to those stories about what muslims did (links to those crimes) that let the cartoonist to draw what he did?

Here you go: Overfaldet efter Koran-lsning - TV 2 Nyhederne

It's in Danish, but you can use Google Translate to get the gist of it.

The cartoon has also been attributed as a response to this incident: BBC NEWS | Europe | Gunman kills Dutch film director

1,2. where have i said that i want him punished simply because HE DREW A CARTOON and because i took offence.

What do you want?

In this thread, you've declared the cartoons to be "worse than murder", you've supported Jordan in their actions, and you've even supported the conspirators who tried to murder Kurt Westergaard. What do you think is the proper response?

What do you think should be done to Kurt Westergaard? If you don't think anything should be done to him at all, great - then we're on the same side. If you think something should be done to him, then tell us what it is.

 

[waitasec]

again thanks for not answering my post. you can go if you want without answering it, i don't mind. i don't have anything against you whatsoever.

maybe you forgot to ask me something?
but you sure didn't respond to my martin luther king jr remark...
did he have something to be angry about?
i think your understanding of strength coincides with the definition of brawn...
a very bronze age way of thinking. :sad:

 

[tumbleweed41]

silence reafirms the accusations otherwise you would speak out. if you were wrongly accused of murder and police come to take you are you telling me that you won't fight those accusations if they are not true?

Murder=/=insulting a long dead 'prophet'.

please show where i have said that he should be killed just for drawing/insulting our prophet if you are truthful.

You didn't.
What you did was make a failed comparison between blasphemy and being accused of murder.


Do you ever read the actual posts?

 

[Gharib]

Which part of which article are we talking about?
How is this obvious?

My picture was an attempt to expose those fanatics who have justified a great number of bombings, murders and other atrocities with reference to the sayings of their prophet. If many Muslims thought that their religion did not condone such acts, they might have stood up and declared that the men of violence had misrepresented the true meaning of Islam. Very few of them did so.

Kurt Westergaard: Why I drew the Muhammad cartoon « Creeping Sharia

see he says that muslims don't condemn acts that he thinks are bad when infact we have many times including the lecturer attack.

It may be obvious to you that he would offend a lot of muslims, but believe it or not it did not occur to most danes that this would happen.
Danes are generally not very religious, and we have trouble understanding how religious people think.

so the danes lack of religious knowledge makes it ok to insult the religious people so than can see what reactions they would get and then make public speeches about how unreligious they are and don't know how religions people work?

 

[Gharib]

You didn't.
What you did was make a failed comparison between blasphemy and being accused of murder.

Do you ever read the actual posts?

thats what you were reffering to, well just incase you haven't heard about the drawings, they depict our prophet as being a terrorist. so does that hold any ground?

 

[waitasec]

thats what you were reffering to, well just incase you haven't heard about the drawings, they depict our prophet as being a terrorist. so does that hold any ground?

cry me a river...
boo hoo

 

[Gharib]

maybe you forgot to ask me something?
but you sure didn't respond to my martin luther king jr remark...
did he have something to be angry about?
i think your understanding of strength coincides with the definition of brawn...
a very bronze age way of thinking. :sad:

third time you respond to my post without answering my questions.

what post of yours have i missed. please post the number

 

[McBell]

You are the one who keeps going on and on about how Muslims are to punish a man for making a cartoon.

The only thing I can figure is that Allah can't do it himself.
Sad really.

 

[Gharib]

So are you saying that the attackers who beat a Jewish lecturer for reading the Quran in a manner they deemed disrespectful weren't Muslim? If so, please tell us how you came to this conclusion.

i didn't say they weren't muslims, you said they were, while the article only said they were arabs. so i pointed out that arabs aren't necessarily muslims. but from what lunakilo posted it said they were.

Here you go: Overfaldet efter Koran-lsning - TV 2 Nyhederne

It's in Danish, but you can use Google Translate to get the gist of it.

lunakilo already provided me with a link. i know the story

The cartoon has also been attributed as a response to this incident: BBC NEWS | Europe | Gunman kills Dutch film director

Westergaard makes no mentione of this.

What do you want?

a fair trial. which you and almost everyone else in this thread opposes for some reason.

In this thread, you've declared the cartoons to be "worse than murder",

never said that, i have said that 'provocation is worse than murder' as it is stated in the qur'an, yet i have never said that his provocation should be met with murder, instead he should be trialed and he could be found guilty and the punishment could end up being death or something less.

you've supported Jordan in their actions,

yes i am in support of a trial for his provocation against muslims for no justifiable reason.

and you've even supported the conspirators who tried to murder Kurt Westergaard.

never did. i was arguing a point of how one country supports both freedom of speech and that of religion, yet those who wave a freedom of speech flag can insult the religious and the religious who soposedly have religious freedom aren't allowed to defend their selves nor seek justice because he waved a freedom of speech flag.

What do you think is the proper response?

a trial. if he is guilty then the he should be punished, if not guilty then he should be free to go.

What do you think should be done to Kurt Westergaard? If you don't think anything should be done to him at all, great - then we're on the same side. If you think something should be done to him, then tell us what it is.

read above.

 

[waitasec]

third time you respond to my post without answering my questions.

what post of yours have i missed. please post the number

425...i'll help you out...

maybe you forgot to ask me something?
but you sure didn't respond to my martin luther king jr remark...
did he have something to be angry about?
i think your understanding of strength coincides with the definition of brawn...
a very bronze age way of thinking. :sad:

 

[Gharib]

You are the one who keeps going on and on about how Muslims are to punish a man for making a cartoon.

The only thing I can figure is that Allah can't do it himself.
Sad really.

please show me where i have said that he should be punished simply because he drew a cartoon or simply because i feel offended if you are truthful.

 

[McBell]

please show me where i have said that he should be punished simply because he drew a cartoon or simply because i feel offended if you are truthful.

SHow me where I said you wanted him dead simply for drawing a cartoon?

Your dishonesty is disgusting.

 

[Gharib]

425...i'll help you out...

what post number is the martin luther jr post of yours that you want me to reply to? #425 isn't that post, if it is what is your question all you say is:

'but you sure didn't respond to my martin luther king jr remark...
did he have something to be angry about?'

whats that? what am i looking at?

 

[Gharib]

SHow me where I said you wanted him dead simply for drawing a cartoon?

Your dishonesty is disgusting.

Post #432 you said:

'you are the one who keeps going on and on about how Muslims are to punish a man for making a cartoon'

i am a muslim, maybe you forgot that.

 

[waitasec]

what post number is the martin luther jr post of yours that you want me to reply to? #425 isn't that post, if it is what is your question all you say is:

'but you sure didn't respond to my martin luther king jr remark...
did he have something to be angry about?'

whats that? what am i looking at?

404...
and thanks for the frubie....

 

[McBell]

Post #432 you said:

'you are the one who keeps going on and on about how Muslims are to punish a man for making a cartoon'

i am a muslim, maybe you forgot that.

Perhaps you misunderstood...
Let me try again:

SHow me where I said you wanted him dead simply for drawing a cartoon?
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[Rakhel]

Question:

Isn't there a difference between the word "dead" and the word "punished?" Or does the difference only exist in Western society?