Jordanian court has begun blasphemy proceedings against Danish artist Kurt Westergaard

[lunakilo]

I have noticed that this is a bit like the argument about the woman who wouldn't shake hands from the you-dont-show-respect-my-religion-thread, just seen from the other side

 

[waitasec]

it will prevent low lives from spewing what they do which is not right and not based on proof. what right does he have to call our prophet a terrorist without facts?

his inalienable right to speak out against something he thought offensive.

you tell me why i shouldn't and then we might get somewhere.

actually, this backlash has only confirmed the mind set he was speaking out against. the world watches how islam works under pressure, and thus far the image of islam is tarnished because of the hypocrisy it has so openly displayed through it's actions...a peaceful religion...not likely as it's actions verify hate, rather it's a controlling religion even of people that do not adhere to it's beliefs and thusly an arrogant religion...not very impressive to say the least.

not that i think all islamists are, but all i hear are those that speak the loudest...

 

[Rakhel]

But getting angry basically demonstrates to the world how potentially harmful your religion can be.

Sorry, but I have to disagree here.
Getting angry over a cartoon drawing of Mohammad does not demonstrate that Islam is harmful. It demonstrates the how little faith those have in their beliefs.

There have been plenty of drawings of Moses and Jesus that depict them both in some not so good light. Yet Christians and Jews just shrug their shoulders and move on.

Most Jews look at that donkey and see weakness in those that did that. We know the difference in not judging all for the stupidity of the few. And we know weakness when we see it

 

[waitasec]

so why should muslims be bound by his freedom of speech laws? why should we "chill" simply because his laws say it's ok for him to offend us, but then it's wrong for us to punish him?

who says you need to chill...
prove him wrong. the only way to prove him wrong is by behaving differently.
that doesn't mean you shouldn't get angry. this behavior confirms the cartoonist point.
think of martin luther king jr. did he have something to be angry about?

 

[McBell]

:clap:clap very well said.

So you agree that Islam is a weak desperate religion and that Allah is either unable or unwilling to "protect" your Favoured prophet from us mere mortal westerners?

 

[Gharib]

Im am quite sure he didn't offend ALL muslims, I am positive that there are a few around that wheren't offended.

thats not what i meant, by insulting our prophet he insulted many more people than what he maybe had a right over. the incident was denounced, that means islam did not and does not impose a threat on his freedom of speech for which he claims to have done the images for. you see how pathetic his claims are.

And I am also quite sure he wasn't trying to offend all muslims.

news flash, he did. thats what his intention was, this was very obvious from the article where he explains what he did. what a low life he is.

He himself says that he never drew the prophet Mohammed, he drew an islamic terrorist.

thats not what he said.

He was angry at the muslims who attacked the lecturer, not at all muslims.

so why did he provoke all muslims in order to see if his freedom of speech was being limited by islam when muslims condemned those that attacked the lecturer?

He was angry at the muslims who take their religion and uses it as an excuse to attack other people, if all muslims are offended by that is that really his fault?

so what about muslims who don't use religion as an excuse to attack people and publicly condemn those that do so? is it their fault? should we blame them for getting angry?

 

[Gharib]

Not true.
That the Islamic Society denouncedthe attack shows that many muslims do not agree with the attack, but it does not change the fact that the attack happened.

and why do you think the attack happened? because islam teaches so?

The drawings have everything to do with the attack (and other incidents of the same nature that happened at the time)

yes those same incidents that were condemned by the Islamic Society of Denmark. so why were those that condemned the acts offended?

 

[Gharib]

I have noticed that this is a bit like the argument about the woman who wouldn't shake hands from the you-dont-show-respect-my-religion-thread, just seen from the other side

why are you offended by muslims who don't shake hands with the opposite gender? should i be offended by non-muslims who do shake hands with the opposite gender and who also hug one another?

 

[Gharib]

his inalienable right to speak out against something he thought offensive.

And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."

Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.

[2:11-12]

actually, this backlash has only confirmed the mind set he was speaking out against.

so if i say that danish people are terrorist and what not and then i find a way to offend the whole country and then when they react that means i was right about what i said regarding the Danish??? :sarcastic

please post something thats logical and makes sense.

the world watches how islam works under pressure, and thus far the image of islam is tarnished because of the hypocrisy it has so openly displayed through it's actions...a peaceful religion...not likely as it's actions verify hate, rather it's a controlling religion even of people that do not adhere to it's beliefs and thusly an arrogant religion...not very impressive to say the least.

can you please just have a think about your posts before you press 'reply'. talk about hypocrisy.

not that i think all islamists are, but all i hear are those that speak the loudest...

thats wishfull thinking then. it is more convenient to go against something that is different from what you believe than it is to go for it.

 

[tumbleweed41]

This whole "you insulted our prophet, now you must pay!!" is barbaric thinking and reminiscent of the Inquisition "thought police" hunting down heretics.
Islam cannot call itself a religion of 'peace' until it can, in the public eye, rid itself of the primitive dogma that keeps it five centuries behind the rest of the world.

 

[lunakilo]

news flash, he did. thats what his intention was, this was very obvious from the article where he explains what he did. what a low life he is.

Which part of which article are we talking about?
How is this obvious?

It may be obvious to you that he would offend a lot of muslims, but believe it or not it did not occur to most danes that this would happen.
Danes are generally not very religious, and we have trouble understanding how religious people think.

thats not what he said.

From wikipedia:

In a 2009 interview, Westergaard said he was trying to "show that terrorists get their spiritual ammunition from parts of Islam and with this spiritual ammunition, and with dynamite and other explosives, they kill people."

 

[Gharib]

There have been plenty of drawings of Moses and Jesus that depict them both in some not so good light. Yet Christians and Jews just shrug their shoulders and move on.

silence reafirms the accusations otherwise you would speak out. if you were wrongly accused of murder and police come to take you are you telling me that you won't fight those accusations if they are not true?

 

[waitasec]

And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."

Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.

[2:11-12]



so if i say that danish people are terrorist and what not and then i find a way to offend the whole country and then when they react that means i was right about what i said regarding the Danish??? :sarcastic

please post something thats logical and makes sense.



can you please just have a think about your posts before you press 'reply'. talk about hypocrisy.



thats wishfull thinking then. it is more convenient to go against something that is different from what you believe than it is to go for it.

well if your reason for replying is to persuade, you failed only because your responses have been nothing more than what i would expect. thank you for confirming what i thought to be true all along....

 

[Gharib]

So you agree that Islam is a weak desperate religion and that Allah is either unable or unwilling to "protect" your Favoured prophet from us mere mortal westerners?

 

[Gharib]

well if your reason for replying is to persuade, you failed only because your responses have been nothing more than what i would expect. thank you for confirming what i thought to be true all along....

my reasons for replying are to show the foolish examples you and people like you make in order to once again 'show' what an evil religion islam is. so if yu don't like the fact that i defeated your arguments, you can go anytime you want. i don't need you or anyone else to cry me a river and explain how wrong you were.

 

[tumbleweed41]

silence reafirms the accusations otherwise you would speak out. if you were wrongly accused of murder and police come to take you are you telling me that you won't fight those accusations if they are not true?

Murder=/=insulting a long dead 'prophet'.

 

[waitasec]

silence reafirms the accusations otherwise you would speak out. if you were wrongly accused of murder and police come to take you are you telling me that you won't fight those accusations if they are not true?

silence? no people were upset, they just didn't kill anyone over it...it's too barbaric...some cultures have progressed others seem to wallow in misery and perpetuate hate and ignorance...

it's a controlling issue...wonder if islam gravitates to those with this problem

 

[waitasec]

my reasons for replying are to show the foolish examples you and people like you make in order to once again 'show' what an evil religion islam is. so if yu don't like the fact that i defeated your arguments, you can go anytime you want. i don't need you or anyone else to cry me a river and explain how wrong you were.

you're only reaffirming what you already believe to yourself and at the same time reaffirming what others think...good job

 

[Gharib]

This whole "you insulted our prophet, now you must pay!!" is barbaric thinking and reminiscent of the Inquisition "thought police" hunting down heretics.
Islam cannot call itself a religion of 'peace' until it can, in the public eye, rid itself of the primitive dogma that keeps it five centuries behind the rest of the world.

1. US invades iraq, it kills innocent people and muslims should not fight back because we follow a religion of peace.
2. if we fight back then we are terrorist for fighting back.
3. idiots insult our religion for no justifiable reason and then when we react it just shows what an intolerable religion we follow.


what a very intelligent post. well done

 

[Gharib]

you're only reaffirming what you already believe to yourself and at the same time reaffirming what others think...good job

again thanks for not answering my post. you can go if you want without answering it, i don't mind. i don't have anything against you whatsoever.