paarsurrey
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And how this message to end the prophecy reached Judaism people? Please
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Judaism: Who did force YHVH to end the prophecy?
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Tumah
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There is no message needed.
The Divine Presence didn't rest on the Second Temple and onward. The only prophets to make it into the Second Temple period were those who were already prophesying at the end of the First Temple. When they died, lacking the Divine Presence to initiate them into prophecy, no more prophets arose.
Commentaries also explain that during the beginning of the Second Temple, the members of the Great Assembly (which included the remaining prophets as well as other leading rabbis of the time) removed the inclination to perform idolatry (that is to commune with an impure spiritual force) from the world (this is mentioned in the Talmud). According to the principle of balance in Judaism, the effect of removing this inclination was that prophecy (the ability to commune with the Divine) need also be removed.
The Divine Presence didn't rest on the Second Temple and onward. The only prophets to make it into the Second Temple period were those who were already prophesying at the end of the First Temple. When they died, lacking the Divine Presence to initiate them into prophecy, no more prophets arose.
Commentaries also explain that during the beginning of the Second Temple, the members of the Great Assembly (which included the remaining prophets as well as other leading rabbis of the time) removed the inclination to perform idolatry (that is to commune with an impure spiritual force) from the world (this is mentioned in the Talmud). According to the principle of balance in Judaism, the effect of removing this inclination was that prophecy (the ability to commune with the Divine) need also be removed.
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Oy vey! It looks like we've moved on from the Hinduism people and Vedas people to the Judaism people.
Tumah
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If one spends too much time studying a subject, one might end up learning something. So one needs to move on before its too late. Right?
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ukok102nak
Active Member
~;> just for a thought
as it is written
:read:
Keturah bore Abraham six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. Genesis and First Chronicles also list seven of her grandsons (Sheba, Dedan, Ephah, Epher, Enoch, Abida, and Eldaah). Keturah's sons were said to have represented the Arab tribes who lived south and east of Palestine.
According to the African writer Olaudah Equiano, the 18th-century English theologian John Gill believed the African people were descended from Abraham via Keturah.
According to the Bahá'í author John Able, Bahá'ís consider their founder, Bahá'u'lláh, to have been "descended doubly, from both Abraham and Sarah, and separately from Abraham and Keturah.
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
as it is written
:read:
Keturah bore Abraham six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. Genesis and First Chronicles also list seven of her grandsons (Sheba, Dedan, Ephah, Epher, Enoch, Abida, and Eldaah). Keturah's sons were said to have represented the Arab tribes who lived south and east of Palestine.
According to the African writer Olaudah Equiano, the 18th-century English theologian John Gill believed the African people were descended from Abraham via Keturah.
According to the Bahá'í author John Able, Bahá'ís consider their founder, Bahá'u'lláh, to have been "descended doubly, from both Abraham and Sarah, and separately from Abraham and Keturah.
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
ukok102nak
Active Member
anyone could hought of thatdifferences especialy when someone is lookin unto facts rather than assuming something that is within its grasp
According to the Bahá'í author John Able, Bahá'ís consider their founder, Bahá'u'lláh, to have been "descended doubly, from both Abraham and Sarah, and separately from Abraham and Keturah.
thats a good thought
if we may say so
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
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ukok102nak
Active Member
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
I've seen some of the dirt Rival has on YHWH - he's proving his wisdom by playing along on this. Hopefully the Jews on here can adjust well to the not-for-prophet era we're coming in to
ukok102nak
Active Member
~;> for once anyone could break an oath to some humans
but not to god
and
becaused some people were still under the influences of the leaders of the triune god worshippers
some people were not able to worship the true god
thats why
if we may say so everyone should move their oath unto those some people
who were been manipulated by
a system of biblical interpretation taught by man
so that everyone may have a proper
prophetic era just like those days of old where humans could speak literally unto the angels of the lord your god
for a better good news that is
although as they say
there is no better news than the
good news itself after all
such as this
as it is written
:read:
Keturah bore Abraham six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. Genesis and First Chronicles also list seven of her grandsons (Sheba, Dedan, Ephah, Epher, Enoch, Abida, and Eldaah). Keturah's sons were said to have represented the Arab tribes who lived south and east of Palestine.
According to the African writer Olaudah Equiano, the 18th-century English theologian John Gill believed the African people were descended from Abraham via Keturah.
According to the Bahá'í author John Able, Bahá'ís consider their founder, Bahá'u'lláh, to have been "descended doubly, from both Abraham and Sarah, and separately from Abraham and Keturah.
and this is a good news also
if we may say so
just for a thought
coz someone may thinkin about this right now
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
but not to god
and
becaused some people were still under the influences of the leaders of the triune god worshippers
some people were not able to worship the true god
thats why
if we may say so everyone should move their oath unto those some people
who were been manipulated by
a system of biblical interpretation taught by man
so that everyone may have a proper
prophetic era just like those days of old where humans could speak literally unto the angels of the lord your god
for a better good news that is
although as they say
there is no better news than the
good news itself after all
such as this
as it is written
:read:
Keturah bore Abraham six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. Genesis and First Chronicles also list seven of her grandsons (Sheba, Dedan, Ephah, Epher, Enoch, Abida, and Eldaah). Keturah's sons were said to have represented the Arab tribes who lived south and east of Palestine.
According to the African writer Olaudah Equiano, the 18th-century English theologian John Gill believed the African people were descended from Abraham via Keturah.
According to the Bahá'í author John Able, Bahá'ís consider their founder, Bahá'u'lláh, to have been "descended doubly, from both Abraham and Sarah, and separately from Abraham and Keturah.
and this is a good news also
if we may say so
just for a thought
coz someone may thinkin about this right now
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
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RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Prophecy hasn't ended entirely; it partially ended on being sent to the children of Israel, as they kept murdering them, according to both Islam, and Christianity.
All the stuff about it not continuing in 2nd temple period isn't correct; the prophets continued, yet Pharisaic/Rabbinic Judaism had taken over from God's messengers.
As we can clearly see Yeshua has the spirit of prophecy, with advance knowledge of future events, that have clearly come to pass.
rosends
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure why you assume someone forced God to end prophecy. As to how the message was sent, part of the answer is here http://judaism.stackexchange.com/a/17729/1362
rosends
Well-Known Member
so he innovated "forced" there also. Consistency, at least.
PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks...
I have a slightly different take on all this - indeed - Christ Himself is to blame for the fact that the Jews lost their prophets - and when He came - basically, but in a very real sense , the Hebrew god "gave up authority" and allowed Christ to assume His full LEGITIMATE DIVINE authority...
I emphasise it that way because Christ Himself said quite blatantly that the Hebrew "god" was not a true god at all and certainly is NOT Our Father that Christ alone teaches us of.. In effect Christ came to give us a NEW TRUTH of the legitimate Divinity - a new truth that He said openly would then "set us free" - yes..?...Understand then - if a spoken truth delivered by Him can set us free - then the thing that holds us imprisoned must be a "lie error or deception" given by the authority that was in place before Him - yes..?..Obvious really - THAT is what we are to be free from, the deceipt of this bogus "god" and its domination and manipulation of us all..
Christ said that the Hebrew god was not a legitimate true Divine entity at all - not the SOURCE of Creation itself - but only an Angel as we term it - a CREATURE exactly like You and I.. He explains this Divine Father Source of Creation fully so that we can compare it to the origin of the one we erroneously call "god" - and tells us very clearly the Father is a TRINITY of Being - describes it in great detail so there can be no confusion - and tells us two aspects of this Trinity especially, bring forth the material Creation when they COMBINE their essence - He Christ, and a FEMALE counterpart, Goddess Sophia as He names Her.. The third part of this Trinity is the Father of course a spirit, a Divine mind that CHOOSES and literally IMAGINES the Creation - Christ and Sophia combine their talents to make the Fathers Will come forth - ALWAYS together - Male AND Female combine to call forth PERFECTION..
Except this one time - the creation of the one who will become "god" to mankind - was a mistake actually, created less then perfect and so cast out of heaven, as the religion later twists - and this malformed less than perfect Angel is placed SEPERATE ISOLATED and fully ALONE here in THIS universe, created for it specifically as a kind of "hidden prison"......The one WE call "god" has a CREATOR - a MOTHER - the goddess Sophia create it ALONE without the male Christ to aid Her - and so Her singular creation is malformed less than perfect and out of shame and guilt She hides it thus in this entirely seperate and isolated relam we call "home".
.So the ANGEL - wakes to its existance HERE - seperate and alone - it is SEMI DIVINE - in modern parlance we have termed them ARCHONS (there are many like Yahweh) - not fully Divine but certainly a Semi Divine MIND that holds the formation of an entire universe or realm - a god within a much much MUCH greater "god" yet - and above them all - the Trinity and Our Father the Cause of Creation itself..
So Yahweh - arouses here in this barren isolated realm - and soon discovers this latent inherant power to CREATE - except for Him - he is NOT LIKE THE TRINITY - not the FATHER - he cannot simply call forth creation from "nowhere" and "no time" - this one can NOT create anything NEW - all it can do is shape and mould, create FROM that which ALREADY EXISTS HERE -the "energy" of the universe is his to command - but he cannot call forth any new creation at all or add to it in any way - only recycle that which he already posesses.. So he begins to create as his will dictates...calls forth and fashions his own forms of Angels - makes abodes we call "heavens" forms some material substances that wlll be worlds - even starts off some lifeforms but none have that eternal Self realisation of the Divine mind, just dumb animals thus far...ALL created FROM this pool of energy that Sophia the TRUE Divine deposited here ot sustain Her malformed offspring..
So for a while all is well here - Angels get created, basic liffeforms - and look here as yet, this realm remains SEPERATE and ISOLATED - every Soul here must fully believe Yahweh to be "supreme god" for EVERYTHING here in THIS universe flows from its semi divine MIND - they all accept and worship this Angel fully as a bona fide "creator god" because as far as THIS universe goes it is indeed the dominant force... This continues until in the higher realms of theTrinity a truly awesome creation event happens - ADAMUS - Divine man is created and this is so magnificent that Christ said EVERY SOUL IN CREATION becomes aware of this event - and so these two forgotten realms finally are made known to each other..!!
BIG PROBLEMS now for Yahweh - no longer "supreme" every Soul KNOWS IT DIRECTLY as they all witness and experience the power of the Divine when Adamus is created...The lesser Angels question his authority - eventually openly rebel and wish to investigate this awesome powerful majesty they all witnessed...Yahweh forbids them all - Iam god No1 he says and you will have none of these others before ME - this eventually leads to mankind being put on the Earth - some rebellious Angels imprisoned here too - and Yawheh doing its best to maintain control and domination of us all despite the overwhelming evidence that he is not supreme after all, STILL it clings to and covets that authority and will not relinquish it...
Not at first any way - but eventually even Yahweh is curious and will go seek out the Trinity - encounter the True Divine directly - and at this point basically, He "repents" as it were and admits he has treated mankind unjustly and agrees to allow CHRIST to have FULL dominion and control here....Im cutting it short a great deal of course - but this is the basics - Christ came to FREE us from the enforced spiritual domination of the one we call "god" in the bible..It was a FALSE god and when it finally encountered the Divine it gave up its false claims over us and allowed Christ to intercede and set things straight..
Christ is NOT SENT FROM YAHWEH - not sent form "anyone" actually - but freely chose to aid us for our own sakes.. Yahweh really didnt get much choice but agreed to relinquish his false authority and basically, has not been heard of at all for around four centuries BEFORE Christ took His mortal form among us..
A Jew named Malachi is the last Hebrew prophet that there will ever be - take away all the bible religious propaganda and we find that "god" even declared openly that he would be last prophet and no more contact at all until Christ... This is because the god knew already of course that Christ was about to walk the Earth - which in affect means the game is up for Yahweh as Christ will give us this NEW TRUTH that sets us free from Yahwehs deceipt.....So -Yahweh tellas his prophets he is leaving - watch for Christ and follow Him now thus the Messiah is awaited...
Except - predicted event arrives - CHRIST begins to teach HIS TRUTH - and tells them as I tel you - they have been worshipping the wrong god entirely - not a god at all...And look - the god is SILENT as this happens - they cant run off and ask it for guidance or for truth as it is SILENT for HUNDREDS OF YEARS ALREADY - handed authority to Christ ALREADY - but will not openly admit its deciept to "its people" and just leaves Christ to clean up its mess and fix it all for us.. Some of the gods agents though - notably the lesser Angels it trapped here among us -THEY will not give up their own power so easily though - and so mankind has been dominated still and always, by those who called themselves "god" and used their power to manipulate us all ways around..
The one called Yahweh stopped speaking to mankind some four hundred years before my mate Christ walked the Earth - it couldnt continue the farce any longer yet was unwilling to face them to admit its duplicity with us as it knew Christ was literally about to blow its deception wide open and reveal the truth of everything to us.. Make no mistake Christ is NOT of the Hebrew god at all and DID come to DENOUNCE that one as a false god - merely an Angel He said that covets power and authority over us...The Hebrew "god" could do nothing to stop it and so decided to make the best of it and told its people to expect Christ to come take charge and set things right - then Yahweh slunk away into the shadows, fully ashamed it seems never to be seen again....
NOBODY has spoken to that one DIRECTLY since that man Malachi - the "god" has never been heard of again - only its lesser ANGELS - they continue to commune with mankind all the way through though...GABRIEL for instance will go much later to Mohamed and declare this "god" again wants a NEW chosen people now and so the fiasco continued - the attempt to dominate and control CONTINUED - even to this day - it continues - and look - CHRIST is the ONLY truth that sets you free from all that - wrong "god" entirely
I have a slightly different take on all this - indeed - Christ Himself is to blame for the fact that the Jews lost their prophets - and when He came - basically, but in a very real sense , the Hebrew god "gave up authority" and allowed Christ to assume His full LEGITIMATE DIVINE authority...
I emphasise it that way because Christ Himself said quite blatantly that the Hebrew "god" was not a true god at all and certainly is NOT Our Father that Christ alone teaches us of.. In effect Christ came to give us a NEW TRUTH of the legitimate Divinity - a new truth that He said openly would then "set us free" - yes..?...Understand then - if a spoken truth delivered by Him can set us free - then the thing that holds us imprisoned must be a "lie error or deception" given by the authority that was in place before Him - yes..?..Obvious really - THAT is what we are to be free from, the deceipt of this bogus "god" and its domination and manipulation of us all..
Christ said that the Hebrew god was not a legitimate true Divine entity at all - not the SOURCE of Creation itself - but only an Angel as we term it - a CREATURE exactly like You and I.. He explains this Divine Father Source of Creation fully so that we can compare it to the origin of the one we erroneously call "god" - and tells us very clearly the Father is a TRINITY of Being - describes it in great detail so there can be no confusion - and tells us two aspects of this Trinity especially, bring forth the material Creation when they COMBINE their essence - He Christ, and a FEMALE counterpart, Goddess Sophia as He names Her.. The third part of this Trinity is the Father of course a spirit, a Divine mind that CHOOSES and literally IMAGINES the Creation - Christ and Sophia combine their talents to make the Fathers Will come forth - ALWAYS together - Male AND Female combine to call forth PERFECTION..
Except this one time - the creation of the one who will become "god" to mankind - was a mistake actually, created less then perfect and so cast out of heaven, as the religion later twists - and this malformed less than perfect Angel is placed SEPERATE ISOLATED and fully ALONE here in THIS universe, created for it specifically as a kind of "hidden prison"......The one WE call "god" has a CREATOR - a MOTHER - the goddess Sophia create it ALONE without the male Christ to aid Her - and so Her singular creation is malformed less than perfect and out of shame and guilt She hides it thus in this entirely seperate and isolated relam we call "home".
.So the ANGEL - wakes to its existance HERE - seperate and alone - it is SEMI DIVINE - in modern parlance we have termed them ARCHONS (there are many like Yahweh) - not fully Divine but certainly a Semi Divine MIND that holds the formation of an entire universe or realm - a god within a much much MUCH greater "god" yet - and above them all - the Trinity and Our Father the Cause of Creation itself..
So Yahweh - arouses here in this barren isolated realm - and soon discovers this latent inherant power to CREATE - except for Him - he is NOT LIKE THE TRINITY - not the FATHER - he cannot simply call forth creation from "nowhere" and "no time" - this one can NOT create anything NEW - all it can do is shape and mould, create FROM that which ALREADY EXISTS HERE -the "energy" of the universe is his to command - but he cannot call forth any new creation at all or add to it in any way - only recycle that which he already posesses.. So he begins to create as his will dictates...calls forth and fashions his own forms of Angels - makes abodes we call "heavens" forms some material substances that wlll be worlds - even starts off some lifeforms but none have that eternal Self realisation of the Divine mind, just dumb animals thus far...ALL created FROM this pool of energy that Sophia the TRUE Divine deposited here ot sustain Her malformed offspring..
So for a while all is well here - Angels get created, basic liffeforms - and look here as yet, this realm remains SEPERATE and ISOLATED - every Soul here must fully believe Yahweh to be "supreme god" for EVERYTHING here in THIS universe flows from its semi divine MIND - they all accept and worship this Angel fully as a bona fide "creator god" because as far as THIS universe goes it is indeed the dominant force... This continues until in the higher realms of theTrinity a truly awesome creation event happens - ADAMUS - Divine man is created and this is so magnificent that Christ said EVERY SOUL IN CREATION becomes aware of this event - and so these two forgotten realms finally are made known to each other..!!
BIG PROBLEMS now for Yahweh - no longer "supreme" every Soul KNOWS IT DIRECTLY as they all witness and experience the power of the Divine when Adamus is created...The lesser Angels question his authority - eventually openly rebel and wish to investigate this awesome powerful majesty they all witnessed...Yahweh forbids them all - Iam god No1 he says and you will have none of these others before ME - this eventually leads to mankind being put on the Earth - some rebellious Angels imprisoned here too - and Yawheh doing its best to maintain control and domination of us all despite the overwhelming evidence that he is not supreme after all, STILL it clings to and covets that authority and will not relinquish it...
Not at first any way - but eventually even Yahweh is curious and will go seek out the Trinity - encounter the True Divine directly - and at this point basically, He "repents" as it were and admits he has treated mankind unjustly and agrees to allow CHRIST to have FULL dominion and control here....Im cutting it short a great deal of course - but this is the basics - Christ came to FREE us from the enforced spiritual domination of the one we call "god" in the bible..It was a FALSE god and when it finally encountered the Divine it gave up its false claims over us and allowed Christ to intercede and set things straight..
Christ is NOT SENT FROM YAHWEH - not sent form "anyone" actually - but freely chose to aid us for our own sakes.. Yahweh really didnt get much choice but agreed to relinquish his false authority and basically, has not been heard of at all for around four centuries BEFORE Christ took His mortal form among us..
A Jew named Malachi is the last Hebrew prophet that there will ever be - take away all the bible religious propaganda and we find that "god" even declared openly that he would be last prophet and no more contact at all until Christ... This is because the god knew already of course that Christ was about to walk the Earth - which in affect means the game is up for Yahweh as Christ will give us this NEW TRUTH that sets us free from Yahwehs deceipt.....So -Yahweh tellas his prophets he is leaving - watch for Christ and follow Him now thus the Messiah is awaited...
Except - predicted event arrives - CHRIST begins to teach HIS TRUTH - and tells them as I tel you - they have been worshipping the wrong god entirely - not a god at all...And look - the god is SILENT as this happens - they cant run off and ask it for guidance or for truth as it is SILENT for HUNDREDS OF YEARS ALREADY - handed authority to Christ ALREADY - but will not openly admit its deciept to "its people" and just leaves Christ to clean up its mess and fix it all for us.. Some of the gods agents though - notably the lesser Angels it trapped here among us -THEY will not give up their own power so easily though - and so mankind has been dominated still and always, by those who called themselves "god" and used their power to manipulate us all ways around..
The one called Yahweh stopped speaking to mankind some four hundred years before my mate Christ walked the Earth - it couldnt continue the farce any longer yet was unwilling to face them to admit its duplicity with us as it knew Christ was literally about to blow its deception wide open and reveal the truth of everything to us.. Make no mistake Christ is NOT of the Hebrew god at all and DID come to DENOUNCE that one as a false god - merely an Angel He said that covets power and authority over us...The Hebrew "god" could do nothing to stop it and so decided to make the best of it and told its people to expect Christ to come take charge and set things right - then Yahweh slunk away into the shadows, fully ashamed it seems never to be seen again....
NOBODY has spoken to that one DIRECTLY since that man Malachi - the "god" has never been heard of again - only its lesser ANGELS - they continue to commune with mankind all the way through though...GABRIEL for instance will go much later to Mohamed and declare this "god" again wants a NEW chosen people now and so the fiasco continued - the attempt to dominate and control CONTINUED - even to this day - it continues - and look - CHRIST is the ONLY truth that sets you free from all that - wrong "god" entirely