Judge halts implementation of Trump's immigration order

[Jainarayan]

Thus, it is violating the first ammendment.

Non-citiizens are not protected by the US Constitution. The US is under no obligation to accept any immigrants. As a sovereign nation I'm sure it can legally set conditions for immigration.

 

[Jainarayan]

He's also made it so people with green cards from those countries can't return to the United States, despite it being their home.

But no, go ahead, cheer on Trump's persecution of people who were here legitimately.

Keep in mind that green cards are not irrevocable. The government can and will find even the smallest legal reason to refuse re-entry or deport. Can I Lose My Green Card and Be Deported? - AllLaw.com

 

[habiru]

Barred! Shock jock Michael Savage has U.K. ban reaffirmed | Daily Mail Online

 

[Nietzsche]

Non-citiizens are not protected by the US Constitution. The US is under no obligation to accept any immigrants. As a sovereign nation I'm sure it can legally set conditions for immigration.

Not true.

The 14th Amendment specifically states that anyone within American borders has the rights described within the Constitution.

 

[Jainarayan]

Not true.

The 14th Amendment specifically states that anyone within American borders has the rights described within the Constitution.

Within its borders. Does not apply to non-citizens outside the US. I would suppose persons seeking immigration, asylym, refugees and green card holders who are not within US borders or jurisdiction are not protected.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The emphasis is mine.

 

[psychoslice]

Yeah soon you'll have to ban US christian extremists.

Yes anyone who doesn't except our way of life, why would you want them in your country ?.

 

[psychoslice]

Trump is just created more tension, not less. What are we in war against these 7 countries?

Its not a war unless you make it a war.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It's wrong when we have our own 1.5+ million hungry, homeless children, not to mention homeless adults, here already. It's wise and reasonable to use funds to first take care of our own, and straighten out our own mess first, before even thinking about attempting to help others.

Here's a scenario playing out all over the world right now: permanent residents who just happened to be out of the United States when the executive order was issued have found themselves either detained at airports in the US or refused passage in the countries where they tried to board their flights. Please tell me how keeping these taxpayers from their jobs - and therefore from their ability to earn taxable income - helps the American poor.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I know what a green card is. My wife has one and she does not expect the same protections and benefits as a citizen.

... which is different from no rights at all.

You say your wife is a permanent resident and (IIRC) you claim to be a Christian; there's nothing in any of this that guides you to empathy?

 

[psychoslice]

I love it when someone whos' posts I struggle to decipher tells someone to "get educated".

So, that's just your opinion.

 

[Curious George]

Non-citiizens are not protected by the US Constitution. The US is under no obligation to accept any immigrants. As a sovereign nation I'm sure it can legally set conditions for immigration.

Pretty sure the first amendment is a limitation on the government.

 

[psychoslice]

In this thread, I'm mainly talking about his executive order restricting immigration, and that's probably not going to affect you like it is going to affect people from the specified countries and their families and friends.

Furthermore, you make it sound like being educated means I should see nothing wrong with Trump. Personally, I think it's quite the opposite: more education is more likely to make people oppose the likes of Trump and conservative politicians in general. But regardless of this, that you apparently see nothing wrong with such a clearly xenophobic, bigoted law says more about your own priorities than anyone else's education or lack thereof.

Thanks for your opinion

 

[tytlyf]

Maybe Trump should take a page out of the Democrats' history book, and open some internment camps instead? Maybe that'll help placate the alt-left.

You do realize that conservatives were democrats back then? The parties changed during the 50's 60's. Conservatives have been democrats more than republicans in politics through the centuries. American history 101. Learn.

It doesn't make sense that progressives would implement such a policy. But it makes sense conservatives would. Please don't mix up the ideologies of the parties at the time.

 

[Watchmen]

The stay is just a stay to prevent the deportation of individuals who have green cards and visas. The fight is the court cases and subsequent appeals trying to get the order declared unconstitutional as it is aimed at discriminating against Muslims and favoring xtians. Thus, it is violating the first ammendment.

No it's not.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Non-citiizens are not protected by the US Constitution.

If this was true, they should really put it in big red letters on the bottom of those Texas tourism ads they show in Canada.

 

[Jainarayan]

Pretty sure the first amendment is a limitation on the government.

Not entirely or exclusively. The SCOTUS has repeatedly applied it to citizens, e.g. religious freedoms. It doesn't guarantee anything to any non-citizen not within the US.

 

[Jainarayan]

If this was true, they should really put it in big red letters on the bottom of those Texas tourism ads they show in Canada.

I don't know what that means, but show me where and when a non-US citizen outside the US's borders or jurisdiction was subject to or had the protection of the Constitution.

 

[Quagmire]

How about the lives of the victims and potential victims of terrorism? We are a nation. A nation has borders. We protect that first then help when and where we can, but not at the expense of our own safety.

Speak for yourself.

 

[Watchmen]

Speak for yourself.

Enjoy getting bombed while you sit in a circle and sing hippie songs.

 

[Quagmire]

Enjoy getting bombed while you sit in a circle and sing hippie songs.

I would rather die in my circle than "live" in yours.

(I'll take singing over whimpering any day).