Judging a Religion

[Rick O'Shez]

I form a view on whether a religion makes any sense to me. Most of them don't, I'm afraid.

 

[interminable]

This seems to be big business on RF. How do judge??

In my opinion, a religion (mainly speaking for the 'big' ones here) should be judged by its scriptural teachings, not its adherents, for instance:

If religion A commands violence towards religion B, but none of religion A's followers commit this violence, religion A is still a religion of violence.

Conversely, if religion B commands passivity and tolerance, but all its adherents commit crimes, it is still a religion of peace.

I would just say the followers aren't doing the religion correctly.

Blah blah, your turn.

Unfortunately as most of us worship our desires not real god
I think if u u have no doubt that your religion is an only true religion u have to obey all of its orders although they are against your passions

The main and important question is
Are we god's slaves or god is our slave???

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> indeed
for some religions
it doesnt have any relationship
unto
a system of biblical interpretation taught by man

as they say
so as it is written
:read:
Ephesians 6:6
not in the way of service only when eyes are on you, as men pleasers; but as servants of Messiah, doing the will of God from the heart;
7 with good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men;
8 knowing that whatever good thing each one does, he will receive the same again from the Lord, whether he is bound or free.


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godbless
unto all always

 

[Brickjectivity]

Sometimes I am not in a position to decide about religion. Sometimes no matter what I do everyone around me is in religion X, so I am in it. Then I am not always in control of what religion I am in. You can call it pressure, but that is a misnomer. There is a point at which pressure becomes an irresistible force.

 

[jeager106]

Islam IS the religion of peace.
Sadly all Muslims don't see that religion in that light.

"The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter."
From The Religion of Peace.

Fortunately only about 15% of the 2.1 billion Muslims world wide follow this commandment literally.

What is 15% of 2.1 billion anyway?

Apparently this world is and has been embroiled in a religious war.
Jihad Report
Sep 10, 2016 -
Sep 16, 2016
Attacks 43
Killed 191
Injured 228
Suicide Blasts 6
Countries 14

In just one week world wide.
I repeat that Islam IS a religion of peace.
Sadly some don't see it that way.

 

[paarsurrey]

This seems to be big business on RF. How do judge??
In my opinion, a religion (mainly speaking for the 'big' ones here) should be judged by its scriptural teachings, not its adherents, for instance:
If religion A commands violence towards religion B, but none of religion A's followers commit this violence, religion A is still a religion of violence.
Conversely, if religion B commands passivity and tolerance, but all its adherents commit crimes, it is still a religion of peace.
I would just say the followers aren't doing the religion correctly.

Blah blah, your turn.

I agree with you here also. Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Islam IS the religion of peace.
Sadly all Muslims don't see that religion in that light.

"The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter."
From The Religion of Peace.

Fortunately only about 15% of the 2.1 billion Muslims world wide follow this commandment literally.

What is 15% of 2.1 billion anyway?

Apparently this world is and has been embroiled in a religious war.
Jihad Report
Sep 10, 2016 -
Sep 16, 2016
Attacks 43
Killed 191
Injured 228
Suicide Blasts 6
Countries 14

In just one week world wide.
I repeat that Islam IS a religion of peace.
Sadly some don't see it that way.

If you check all these 109 verses from the verses in the context, some preceding and some following verses, you will be astonished to know that :

1. none of them is for converting others to Islam,
2. none of them is general for the non-believers,
3. all of them are specific for the Meccans,
   • who had persecuted those who converted to Islam peacefully,
   • put all of possible restriction on them,
   • burnt their houses,
   • tortured them brutally,
   • killed them.
   • When Muslim converts migrated to Abyssinia,
   • they sent a delegation that Muslim converts were denied asylum there.
   • Later when Muslim migrated to Medina a 100 miles afar,
   • they sent soldiers/armies to attack them their aggressively many a time.
   • Whenever a treaty of peace was accorded they broke it.

In such circumstances, Muslims had to fight a war of freedom, freedom of religion, freedom of conversion, freedom of speech and for co-existence.
Please
Regards

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

If you check all these 109 verses from the verses in the context, some preceding and some following verses, you will be astonished to know that :

1. none of them for converting others to Islam,
2. none of them is general for the non-believers,
3. all of them are specific for the Meccans,
   • who had persecuted those who converted to Islam peacefully,
   • put all of possible restriction on them,
   • burnt their houses,
   • tortured them brutally,
   • killed them.
   • When Muslim converts migrated to Abyssinia,
   • they sent a delegation that Muslim converts were denied asylum there.
   • Later when Muslim migrated to Medina a 100 miles afar,
   • they sent soldiers/armies to attack them their aggressively many a time.
   • Whenever a treaty of peace was accorded they broke it.

In such circumstances, Muslims had to fight a war of freedom, freedom of religion, freedom of conversion, freedom of speech and for co-existence.
Please
Regards

Tell that to all the imams & religious scholars who use these verses to justify hatred, discrimination & violence against non-Muslims - they're the ones who need to know this.

 

[metis]

The one thing that's generally characteristic about religion is that almost any religious belief whatsoever is almost impossible to prove wrong. For example, if I say that our universe was made by the Cosmic Godzilla, whose spit wads formed stars and planets depending on whether he set some of them on fire with his breath, prove me wrong.

 

[jeager106]

Tell that to all the imams & religious scholars who use these verses to justify hatred, discrimination & violence against non-Muslims - they're the ones who need to know this.

You beat me to it!
I was about the mention the same thoughts.
With deepest respect for Islam, the religion of peace, of course.

One might judge by ACTIONS.
Murder is murder no matter the religious excuses.
Some Christians read "eye and for an eye" be believe that excuses murder and
revenge.
Sadly the don't read nor understand the whole part of the verse.
Westobro Baptists preach hate.
Pentecostals play with rattlesnakes to demonstrate faith.
Still none of those fringe groups plant bombs nor shoot down homosexuals
in a night club nor fly hijacked passenger jets into tall buildings murdering at least
3,000 innocent people nor bomb a Boston marathon, for a heavenly reward of virgins to fornicate under the nose of "god".
Just sayin' , not condemning an entire religion.
Sadly this world IS embroiled in a religious war.
Jihad don'cha'know?
Conversion at the point of a sword, or bomb a jet plane, or AK-47, or burning a
captured pilot, or slitting throats on world wide television while a crowd watches
and cheers.

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> as they say
Rather than understanding religion as a set of beliefs, some people examine the ways that practices and belief are constitutive of each other via a broad spectrum of representations, embodiments and ethical and social practices. These everyday practices are constituted by and constituting of many aspects of social life including gender, desire, performance, politics and power. some people thus recognize that religious life is a thoroughly social practice, and yet identifiable as transformative and sometimes mysterious subject of investigation. Some research includes the study of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, secularism, divination, religious movements, ritual and ritual violence and state organization.


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godbless
unto all always

 

[paarsurrey]

The one thing that's generally characteristic about religion is that almost any religious belief whatsoever is almost impossible to prove wrong. For example, if I say that our universe was made by the Cosmic Godzilla, whose spit wads formed stars and planets depending on whether he set some of them on fire with his breath, prove me wrong.

One may have this religion, if one is convinced of its truth heart and soul. I have no objection to it. I will just say and tell him with reasonable arguments that it is not truth. I won't force him to my thinking.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Tell that to all the imams & religious scholars who use these verses to justify hatred, discrimination & violence against non-Muslims - they're the ones who need to know this.

We do tell them but cannot force them.
Others could do the same. There is no harm if you also tell them. Please
Regards

 

[Twilight Hue]

Judging is a useful tool.

Weighing the substance of any givin religion with the thoughts and actions from those who ascribe with whatever givin philosophy or teaching that is being followed.

 

[paarsurrey]

This seems to be big business on RF. How do judge??
In my opinion, a religion (mainly speaking for the 'big' ones here) should be judged by its scriptural teachings, not its adherents, for instance:
If religion A commands violence towards religion B, but none of religion A's followers commit this violence, religion A is still a religion of violence.
Conversely, if religion B commands passivity and tolerance, but all its adherents commit crimes, it is still a religion of peace.
I would just say the followers aren't doing the religion correctly.
Blah blah, your turn.

I agree with this point also, please

All the four points that I have agreed to fit on Islam/Quran- the conservative, radical and extremist approach of it , while it has got nothing to do with the real teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad that are always peaceful, rational and fresh as ever.
Please

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

This seems to be big business on RF. How do judge??
In my opinion, a religion (mainly speaking for the 'big' ones here) should be judged by its scriptural teachings, not its adherents, for instance:
If religion A commands violence towards religion B, but none of religion A's followers commit this violence, religion A is still a religion of violence.
Conversely, if religion B commands passivity and tolerance, but all its adherents commit crimes, it is still a religion of peace.
I would just say the followers aren't doing the religion correctly.
Blah blah, your turn.

I agree with this point also, please
All the four points that I have agreed to fit on Islam/Quran- the conservative, radical and extremist approach of it , while it has got nothing to do with the real teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad that are always peaceful, rational and fresh as ever.
Please

Illustration:
Spread of Islam in Ecuador ,peacefully.
Please
Regards

 

[Tumah]

This is why I said the 'big ones' i.e, Christianity, Islam, Vedic Religions, Judaism and Buddhism. The other ones I would judge by adherents and their histories.

Judaism??? What part of Judaism is "the big ones"?? We're tiny compared to the others.

 

[Rival]

Judaism??? What part of Judaism is "the big ones"?? We're tiny compared to the others.

I mean well known and has a scripture. Also Christianity and Islam wouldn't exist without it so I put it on there too.

 

[metis]

How do judge??

In my opinion, a religion (mainly speaking for the 'big' ones here) should be judged by its scriptural teachings, not its adherents, for instance:...

But it's even hard to judge on the scriptural teachings since it's pretty much impossible to know which are correct.

 

[gnostic]

I didn't realize that there was a contest.

I vote for the religion that looks best in the swimsuit competition.

Or wet t-shirt ones.